Germane to the Kool-Aid narrative is this (I think): 5,000 cults active in the U.S., big ones, little ones, mildly destructive ones, outrageously pernicious ones. Why the incessant focus on Jonestown, Waco, Unification Church, LaRouche (all of a 'period') and the new poster boy, Raniere? Why are these organizations singled out, while the global cult, Landmark Education/Wo
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I am trying to assess the experience of victims of LGAT's, concerned family members, concerned colleagues, or individuals who have general concerns about psychological, or other abuse associated with this 'training', in bringing their issues to: 1) mental health professionals 2) regulatory bodies, (mental health) 3) legal professionals 4) employee advocacy bodies (independent
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Well, since nobody has responded to "Drinking the Kool-Aid", I will continue: I was living in S.F. when Jonestown transpired, and the murders of George Moscone and Harvey Milk, eight days later. Residents knew that the Dems and Jim Jones had got on like a house on fire for many years. Residents also wondered at the possible linkages between one tragedy and the next. I mean, comm
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I wrote: "One might imagine that assessment instruments are being used to identify potential 'leaders', and that would be right, but a potential leader is also a potential dissident, and we can't have that." In fact, I worked for the firm that engineered such a filter out the 'leaders' via assessment instruments and did this for WalMart. Bakkagirl
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KDAG, I think that as in Communist China, the HR Department of western organizations is tasked with ensuring 'right think', and 'right behavior'. These behaviors and mindsets have very little to do with business needs and, therefore, can be rightly assessed as a form of corporate religion, or state-sponsored and corporately driven Additionally, when employees join a c
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Because this phrase is so often used in anti-cult circles, and we ALL know its origin, I took a dive back into the particulars of the Jonestown incident. Point of fact, a Guyanese coroner, and a Navy Seal who interceded shortly after the Kool-Aid was drunk stated that they observed that many of the bodies had gunshot wounds, longbow wounds, bolt gun wounds, or injection marks below a shoulder.
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kdag wrote: "New Age" is especially susceptible, I think, because there are no authority figures and no hierarchy, so they don't really have to usurp anyone to install those things. I tend to notice these things, but people are so accustomed to authority figures in society that they seem to come in under the radar with a lot of people. As far as I'm concerned, anytime you s
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Kdag, What you report is VERY interesting. It 'sounds' like Landmark, via the 'recruiter' had designated New Age groups as a fertile ground for recruitment, and that your recruiter was using group dynamics to coerce participation in Landmark. May I just say that, that borers on EVIL. I wonder if that strategy is operant, too, in professional groups? As you know,
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Yes, I do see how that works. Seems like the worst elements of multi-level marketing scheming have been weaponized with pseudo-psychology. In my world there is a slightly different dynamic, as in I am approached to participate in various training programs, to be 'trained'. If I ask about program contents, I never receive an answer. (What I have been able to figure out, though,
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Chilling, yes!!! Having been involved with the corporate training world for a very long time, I can say that what this woman describes deviates from everything 'normal'. That these participants are asked to sign waivers, and NDA's is a big RED FLAG. I always figure that what people do with their own time, well, it is caveat emptor, but when employees are compelled to parti
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StopLGAT's wrote: "As far as I'm aware these are psychology methods that are long-discredited and now deemed unethical (or at least ethically dubious) - even in an academic experimental environment with the informed consent of the subjects and not involving sensitive personal information. These are probably on par with the horrific experiments that were once conducted in psychia
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Obviously, I don't disagree with anything you say. That said, you may want to explain to me why all of these 'geniuses' in the academy have ignored the fact that Erhard's LGAT (I consider him/'est' synonymous with every organization he spawned, including Landmark) are dangerous, and have never been shown to deliver measurable 'positive' results. I wou
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StopLGATs, I appreciate your line of reasoning, but the cult/not a cult debate can go on FOREVER, has gone on forever. Lining up expert witnesses to designate Landmark 'a cult' will not, I fear, dissuade many people from participating in it. Additionally, it is my contention that Landmark has morphed itself into a number of 'coaching' entities, coaching skills trainin
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KDAG wrote in her points above: Accepting revisionist history. (In part by gaslighting) which, hits a nerve for me in terms of my quest to understand what happened to my field, coaching. In this case, I saw a very literal and abject case of academic historical revisionism, meaning that a field that had been evolving for 80 years and had some solid academic grounding was suddenly hi-jacke
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Hi Rick, With regard to political messages expressed in the context of anti-cult organizations, I can report that I canceled my attendance at ICSA's U.K. conference because conference papers that had been forwarded to me contained Trump-bashing. I am not a Trump supporter, just held lesser of two evils position, but have grown sick of the anti-Trump hysteria that is given voice in so
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I would say this is a fair, and a-political question. To answer it, my perceptions of the fields of psychology and psychiatry have been mainly formed through my professional and personal experience of both fields, which is substantial. As I mentioned in a now-deleted post, my experience in legal services indicated to me that psychologists, in particular, could be relied upon to provide any
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Yep, add that group to the list, and 'celebrities'. Can also add new criterion: employed NLP, hypnosis techniques, LGAT Epstein is an 'outlier', here, or is a 'yet to be confirmed'. However, his victims do speak of a "training' period", and also that he maintained 'odd' conditions in his homes (read, training facilities), e.g. very low
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A common pattern I see among 'certain' individuals is this: 1) No credentials 2) Attempts to attract/'collect' persons of influence in academia, and specific scientific disciplines 3) The holding of 'off-sites' in remote locations 4) The funding of various philanthropic ventures, which provide access to vulnerable populations 5) Interaction with Harvard's
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KDAG wrote: "They take it to absurd lengths, with no regard for the law. If you complain, they will act as if you gave them permission, or as if it was a misunderstanding, (even though they know perfectly well that no one in their right mind would actually agree to what they've done). All the while, they stress over and over that you, and only you, are responsible for your own well-b
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Do we really know what went on with NXIVM? Really abbreviated legal process by my standards, and plea deals out the wazoo. Looks like they succeeded in shifting focus to Raniere, and away from other principals. Media coverage focuses, as usual on the salacious elements -- the cult leader, and his perversity. I would like to know more about Bronfman involvement, in that, that famil
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Interesting, and with regard to the high profile LGAT personality and allegations made by his daughter(s), it is my understanding that these girls dropped a lawsuit against a CA print media outlet, which was not equivalent to recanting allegations made in a nationally televised expose. In any case, Mr. HEAL YOUR FAMILY RELATIONSHIPS has left in his wake a great deal of interpersonal carnage..
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That's my question, 'a' question after 18 months spent investigating high-profile LGAT's. Certainly, if we examine cults, in general, we can see a strong tendency among leaders to sexually exploit members; to establish 'members with privileges' type relationships. I am wondering, however, if there is something intrinsic to the technologies of LGAT that facilitate
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StopLGATs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > "Also the courses they are offering for children. > In the UK (and other countries as well I'm sure) > anyone wanting work with children needs to have a > full criminal record background check. I wonder if > this has been done properly with seminar leaders > who are working interna
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I would like to say a little more about the resistance I have encountered in psych circles when I reported LGAT abuses here in Japan. My attempts to do this pre-date my having attained a clear understanding of what I was seeing, and dealing with. My first encounter of the LGAT kind, occurred when I joined an 'OD' (Organisation Development) consultancy. I approached this firm base
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Indeed, on the worst crimes against humanity, and perpetrators... I do think it is very important to understand the etiology of LGAT's, and the rationale that influenced the development of this 'approach'. I believe 'one' reason it has been so difficult to interdict these activities (to regulate their use, or ban them all together) is that 'reputable' resear
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Well, as a next step it might be interesting to investigate the 'professors' who were his 'dissertation' advisors, to see if they are also in the club. I watched my graduate school, or at least the coaching program, therein, become infested with this nonsense, and I believe that several LEC members are in place, there. The research 'model' for this thing is r
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kdag Wrote: - > > If you would have said "environmental > directive," I may have an inkling of what you > are talking about, (though i haven't gotten to > that yet). There is physical pollution, then there > are psychologically "toxic" environments. I have > heard many people speak of that, including my > Landmark recruiter. Sorry, a
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Highly likely that you found your man, KDAG. In any case, in all of my mind-numbing research of this atrocious c.u.l.t., one thing stood out for me; that being that LEC both attracts and produces men who are nasty to women, and, really, just all-around nasty. I guess it might have something to do with the role model, the "source" -- a wife/child abandoner, bigamist, Wife-beater,
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Sorry, should have included the title of the DOCTORAL DISSERTATION in the above post. Communication for Planetary Transformation and the Drag of Public Conversations: The Case of Landmark Education Corporation This moron managed to conflate the Climate Change DIRECTIVE, with Landmark's 'transformational' DIRECTIVE, thus, no doubt, earning himself a doctoral degree. bakkagi
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Remember those old public service warnings? "This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs." Here is the work of a brain on est/Landmark. bakkagirl
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