GloriaG, Sorry to hear about your 'old friend'. I agree LGAT values/behaviors have become ubiquitous. I am currently working with a group of coach consultants on the design of what was represented to me as a simple communication skills training program. Let's see, we have employees operating in branches strewn across large geography and speaking different languages, and i
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Honestly, the media really needs to be taken to task for advancing these charlatans. No way they can/could do what they do without certain kinds of hype.
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Yes, that is correct on the jagass, cluster "B", bit, but what is as or more interesting is 'why' did "Dr." John Grinder -- co-creator with FAKE Ph.D. Richard Bandler of NLP -- form a partnership with this person?
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Interesting news! While, the "metoo!" elements of Mr. Robbin's practice (if true) are very unfortunate,a review of his activities might reveal that he has been using powerful psychological techniques in stadium-sized, LGAT contexts, and, that there is has been insufficient research to support the safety or efficacy of use of these techniques in such contexts. This would be a go
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and, further to this last post, any legal action should name as defendants, ALL parties involved in the promotion, sale, and delivery of unsafe workshops, which should cut down on the number of lackeys who support these things. Being held legally responsible for their affiliations and actions, may serve to cause these individuals to grow the 'F up and stop wasting their useless lives on thes
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Breakerofchains, I am very sorry for your experience, which sounds horrific. My preference for legal solutions (providing a victim is suitably positioned) relates to the acknowledgment that what was experienced is a crime, no more, no less than physical assault, and needs to be dealt with as such. This is not a matter of a psychologically vulnerable individual, a one-off having a bad reacti
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On 'safe spaces', well, they need to be built in safe venues. Suggestions?
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Well, clearly, the negative psychological consequences participants experience in "transformational" workshops, seminars, and I would add coach training programs, run the gamut from suicide, debilitating melt-down, to varying levels of dissociation/decompensation -- short-term, long-term. I feel I have lost a number of friends and associates to this, people who were "transformed
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TALKINGMOUSE, The trail goes back further than 30 years, and all the way to the first administrations of so-called "sensitivity training", or T-groups. These programs were run out of the National Training Lab in Bethel, Maine in the 1970's and 1980's, and they were run globally. A three-year research study in Japan was terminated in its second year owing to multiple su
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Well, no time like the present to chime in... I work as a corporate consultant, who coaches, and I had hoped to build a coaching team to support my business. Plenty of competent, caring people who are attracted to the field, but then came the boggling decision about which training program to participate in...and, I tried to understand the various methodologies -- I had been corporately-trai
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Thank you for this very encouraging summary. Bakkagirl
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Your questions are good ones. I think in the case of 'both' organizations, and remember my thesis is that they are 'one' organization, members have varying levels of knowledge as to the entity's true agenda. There are still people out there defending NXIVM and its leaders, for goodness sake. I would guess that the individuals at the top of the pyramid think they w
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I am sure they would like their asses off. So what?
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kdag, I guess I figure that we are all possessed of a modicum of free will and that we are responsible for our actions. I don't really care if these individuals retain some semblance of a conscience, or if they can be salvaged. That is not my business, as I see it. I DO CARE that they inflict harm on others, and believe they should be punished under the full letter of the law. b
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kdag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I will go so far as to say that we must tolerate > pretty much any philosophy or religion, as long > as the adherents are not being instructed to break > the law. The problem with these groups is that > they do have employees, associates, > and some of the volunteers, (oh, excuse me. I mean > some
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I think that a certain rationale exists in anti-cult circles; that being that in a pluralistic society we must tolerate even these entities. The values of a pluralistic society do not, however, accord individuals or organizations the right to psychologically entrain human beings and use their unpaid labor to advance nefarious schemes. And these same values ABSOLUTELY do not accord employers
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Your post is a great example of how these 'people' tie their victims up in knots of self-doubt. I have always believed that class action is the best route by which to go after these 'entities', in that this form of litigation tends to limit possible legal exposure and mental duress among co-claimants. See: Also, I note that the James Damore claim against Google (a
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They should have contacted Michael Jensen at Harvard Business School.
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I am extremely interested in this in that Landmark has small armies working as 'volunteers' in Japan. I will be discussing this a Japanese attorney shortly, and would like to have a history under my arm.
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Great points, kdag, I would add that: 2). If it were presented as a religion, many people who were loyal to their own religion would be less likely to attend. The idea that it's secular would probably feel less threatening. the organization is in violation of Title 12 of the EEOC (U.S.). It would be no different than compelling 'prayer breaks'. To this I would add
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I would suggest moving this submission to the "LGAT Comedy Corner -- Passion of Werner Erhard" section. Attaching the name "Erhard" to a title containing the words, "financial" and "integrity" really takes us into the realm of satire.
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Ajinajad wrote: "The fact there is an entire academic paper on this topic, shows that it is a persistent topic throughout the history of the organization that keeps coming up again and again. I wonder why?" I hold the possibility that est/Landmark is a creation of the Esalen Institute. As such, it would partake of that organization's quest to create a religion that is not
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Query: Do you think worshippers of modern "Sun Kings" would be capable of, say, harassing in a systematic fashion, individuals who question the divinity of their master?
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International University of Professional Studies She uses a methodology that enabled her to survey the opinion of many 'coaches' associated with Landmark Education, as to who was their greatest influence, or who had exerted the greatest on the field, and then drew the inevitable conclusion based on their responses. The "Sun King" positioning is clear from relationship char
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Query: Were the defrauded from the states unemployment benefits related to Landmark 'employees'? Does this suit resemble the tack the French government took against Landmark?
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Yes, thank you, I am aware of Ms. Brock's unbridled enthusiasm for Erhard. You might be interested to know that via a grounded research-based study, conducted in an unaccredited university, and never peer-reviewed, Ms. Brock was able to create an epistemological solar system (the coaching field) with Werner Erhard positioned as "Sun King".
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corboy, I find this response incredibly offensive. Clearly, I was not engaged in an act of "self-promotion" but was seeking to discuss research accomplished by another poster. FYI, I did contact this person via PM, and received an immediate response. I followed up with contact information as resquested, and never heard another word. I assumed my PM had been deleted, so tried a mo
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RECONTACTING YOU We are moving forward with a survey of corporate use of LGAT-based training in our region (ASIA). It would be very helpful to know more about your research. (Note: CEI rules prohibit use of the message board for self promotion. The Private Message system can be used for private communication. Moderators.) QuoteThis forum is not a place for advertising or business promot
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Please check your PM's.
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