Quotevlinden • Stop trying to "get somewhere," stop "becoming," and experience joy and satisfaction in being yourself now. That's pretty funny. You're supposed to spend most of your time imagining your "possibilities" and how you can change your life, but then you're supposed to stop trying to "get somewhere" and "become." Landma
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Quotejj52Part 2 is HILARIOUS! Thanks for sharing that. I have a friend who recently read "The Secret", and keeps wanting to discuss it with me. I'm running out of things to tell her about it to deflect her attempts to "convert" me. I think I'm going to invite her over, and show her that video. I have a friend who recently saw "What the bleep do we know"
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Ha ha, Impacted. Shad (if you're serious), Impacted is talking "The Secret". If you follow the ILlogic through, Impacted is omnipotent and Impacted created everything, including your possessions, which he would like you send to him right now.
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Louise Samway's description conjures up the image of host-parasite relationship.
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QuoteThe Anticult Once they lose contact with reality, these folks can literally sell their house to get money to give to Byron Katie. Vulnerable people "lose it" and end up working for the culty LGAT for free, even worse, being charged money to work for the LGAT...this "crazy" stuff is clearly designed to take away people's sense of reality. Its just a large, aggress
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QuotevlindenI think at this point we have to realize that "supernatural" or "mystical" powers or abilities can exist within people who are not necessarily rowing with both oars in the water, who are not "holy" or pure, who have all sort of personality issues and character flaws. Weird, but apparently true. Maybe that's what all "supernatural", &qu
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Quotejj52 I feel rather embarrassed to admit all of this, but as long as I keep it to myself it still seems to have some power over me. I missed a day here so will be reading this thread later but just want to comment on the above. It's understandable to feel after-effects from the programming. The programming can go quite deep and can take a good amount of time to purge. I spent six
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Quotevlinden Hey, has anybody ever applied her 4 Questions to Byron Katie and the Work itself? IS IT TRUE??? How about reversing: Byron Katie is an enlightened guru = Byron Katie is a spiritual fraud. Hmm . . . I think I'm starting to "get it"!! OH, HAHAHAHA! LMAO! I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!
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QuoteThe Anticult Its great you could see how hubby Stephen Mitchell is also an expert at destablizing people's sense of Self. That is the oldest trick in the book. They take advantage of good natured people, by getting them to turn their own minds against themselves. Very vicious, if you really step back and look at it. You see, any decent person, or mental health provider would never d
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Oh - one more thing. Jj52 thinks Katie sincerely believes what she teaches. For quite some time, after getting out of the lgat, I pondered whether the leader really believed the CRAP he peddled. After thinking about the way he lived his life (what I could see) and reading about sociopaths, I have come to the conclusion that he did NOT believe what he taught. One way to tell if the leader
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jj52, Thank *you* for your post! Wow! I didn't know Katie has a school! It sounds like a true lgat. I wouldn't call her talks or books lgats in themselves, even though the perspective and "thinking" she teaches is NUTTY and out of touch with reality like lgats, because, as vlinden has pointed out, the subject/audience/reader isn't isolated and the environment manip
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Great ideas. The link that Elena posted on the "Beliefs" thread is also good. The writer discusses needing therapy for the effects of the lgat, specifically, vs. therapy that delves into childhood.
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QuoteVic-Luc God, you are SUCH a drama TROLL! I bet you were in a wannabe hippy in college. Whoa! This, from someone who asks to be left alone and who opines that the *other* person is trolling for a fight? Hmmm. Odd.
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Quotevlinden Questions are good, though, right? Better to know you have some questions than to think you've got all the answers. Yep! When I was in the lgat, I had ALL THE ANSWERS! What a delusion ----> lgat-induced insanity. Sick sick sick sick. I wrote this in another thread one time: after the lgat a friend commented that I was so different, it was as if aliens had gotten ahol
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I second your comments about Elena. I have saved some of her posts, as well as some of yours, vlinden. A collection of various posts in a book is a great idea :)
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Hi vlinden - Not really sure how I'm doing nowadays (the con itself really blew some fuses in my brain). I think I'm less disturbed by the fact that I feel mostly foundationless. I like how you said you don't expose yourself to physical viruses unless you have protection, and the same goes for mental viruses. That's my orientation these days: I am SUPER careful and attenti
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and neither do I. skeptic
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vlinden - I think this stuff is fascinating too. And horrifying, because, as you've observed, its reach is far, wide and deep. I run like hell when I sense it anywhere near me. I attempted therapy a couple times after the lgat and when the therapists endorsed crap like the "Secret", I wondered, "is there anywhere or anyone that isn't contaminated with this sh*t?".
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vlinden, let me know if you write your book because I'd like a copy. I could read your writing forever. You have a way of describing and exposing and zeroing in on the new-age insanity that I love to read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What you've written about Katie here knocks my socks off! skeptic
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WARNING: The process you are considering subjecting yourself to uses known techniques of mind control. As a result, you will likely lose your ability to know that your mind is no longer your own, or under your control. But, frighteningly, you will THINK you freely and willingly CHOSE your new thoughts, your new self, your new life. IT'S A HOAX! BUYER BEWARE.
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Keep writing, vlinden. You have a great way of putting it in words, something I have not been able to do. I want to comment on only one thing right now. And I'll relate it as it applies to my sister. I think we had a good relationship all our lives. I think she was interested in my thoughts, cared about me, respected me. All our friends considered us close. I don't think that
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Quotevlinden Not once since Landmark came between us has he been willing to listen to me, to respect my intelligence or what I know, to take me seriously. Not once has he responded from a mature, adult place. Not once. I was kind and civil in my note to him, but the truth is I have never been so upset and disgusted and disappointed by another person in my life. This perfectly describes w
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Quotevlinden So, how can I be happy he's part of this insanity? People who say things like "I'm a stand for the clearing of the possibility." Makes me want to throw UP!!!! You wanna know how to be happy about something that isn't making you happy? Try an lgat. You can learn there how to deceive yourself and REFRAME anything. Seriously, do you *want* to be happ
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Oh, vlinden, don't underestimate yourself - saying landmark gave him something you couldn't. Landmark used slick deception to fool him into thinking (hallucinating) that he got something great. He's flying high on a big fat lie now. I can imagine how you feel though. I worked hard to "support" my sister to sign up for an lgat, and lo and behold, she listened to me
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vlinden - that is GREAT! I'm going to save a copy. I love it - skeptic
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Quotevlinden So once the person is done talking, how is the LE person supposed to respond once they've finished "really" listening? I mean, what guides that response? If all the old thoughts, perspectives, judgments, biases, desires, interpersonal dynamics, knowledge base is gone, what is the response of the LE person based on? Good question and I'm interested in nettie&#
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P.S. This may sound cynical, even black and white, but the more I look into lgats and reflect on my six years involvement, I don't think there is one single thing about them that is genuine, true or honest. I think they are scam and lies through and through, to their very core, starting at the top with the leader/founder itself. (yes, ITself!) If something seems useful or is vali
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Quotevlinden What the hell gives these untrained ego maniacs the right to tell people what the "truth" is? How do they know life is meaningless and empty? How do they know that people create their own reality? They don't know this. They might want to think it's true, but they don't KNOW. The New Age is overflowing with assholes who claim to "know." Ya k
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I like this one, which you've maybe seen already.
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Quotevlinden However, if it leads to people jumping off cliffs thinking they can fly or committing mass suicide, the cult squad can be called in. Well what if it leads to people quitting their jobs, abandoning their families and ruining their lives? This is a good point. Perhaps lgats don't sound alarms because the adverse effects aren't so dramatic. Reading your experience
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