Sadly, pinkunicorn, your friends have become 'true believers' and cannot see the truth in front of them to escape their mental prison. NXIVM is a very abusive LGAT as is clearly documented in the Rick Ross Archives. The best defense is open and complete knowledge of any questionable group which is the reason most of these LGATs are so secretive. I am happy you are free and comple
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It seems to me that if a pastor makes a prophecy and that prophecy fails to come true then the Bible clearly teaches that the pastor is a FALSE PROPHET and is LEADING HIS FLOCK ASTRAY. From links provided by rrmoderator, (see his above comment): 1985: Arnold Murray of the Shepherd's Chapel predicted that the war of Armageddon will start on 1985-JUN 8-9 in "a valley of the Alaskan
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JB White; Thank you for your links to your website and for the info presented there on Shepherd's Bible. Wow! What an eye-opener! Just a fast glance and even a blind person could see that Murray is clearly a racist and anti-semite. He does well to keep his true agenda hidden from his fleeced flock by apparently only using the King James vers. publically. Your website is a val
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BTW DebbieAnn, the exact Hebrew has the 'Popeye' name for god "I Yam what I Yam" as being 'I Will be what I Will be". This hints at the everlasting and eternal nature of your god, not the fickle "I Yam what I Yam". The PRESENT TENSE "I am what I Yam" could mean that god is now, in our present day, DEAD. The Hebrew translation is much more power
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DebbieAnn, thank you for your clarification of Biblically historic documents. Please let me, and others, know where the original gospels and "Old" testament texts lie so that we can examine them. What about the famous "Book of Daniel"? It is intact, yes, but IS IT REAL or a LIE and a HOAX? Take your time answering me after you answer rrmoderator's query.
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DebbieAnn wrote "...It may shock you to know, but the Bible was not originally written in the English language, but had to be later translated by man so that we could read and study it these hundreds of years later..." Really? I assumed the earth was 6000 years old and English was the language spoken by angels. Seriously, I also assumed that there were no intact copies of the g
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From Murray's website: "...I teach YHVH ("I Am That I Am" and Hebrew for the Sacred Name of God)..." I am not a Hebrew scholar, but I did have some college courses taught by a wise rabbi. I believe the actual translation is not Popeye's "I am that/what I am" but a more powerful and completely different "I Will Be What I Will Be". A '
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No, not Gayle...it was Amy (I believe). I kin of got the feeling she was an 'affair'. That may not be correct, but he was very stand-offish from her publically as I remember. That is all I know. I try not to be nosey so I would make a terrible detective (but I DO make a great friend as I do not gossip or 'dig' into people's relationships if possible...frankly, for the
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Dr. Robert Glover of the idiotic "No more mr nice guy" cult guru: “Dr. Glover is an emerging figure in the Men's Movement as crystallized by Iron John a decade ago . . . minus the hokey rituals.” The Seattle Times (Iron John is aparently one of these 'warrior' teachers who sit around and bang drums and curse your mother and bemoan being mistreated by mean-ol'-w
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There is a current 'guru' that O'Reilly supposedly pitched (according to the website) that lays guilt trips on people. I found it's website here: Does anyone know if this is the hypnotic cult that teaches shy men how to lie and misrepresent themselves to women at bars etc. for a hook-up? It sounds really smarmy and new-age bullshit. Anyone with info on this would b
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No, I'm not SGI. My wife is an ex-member. All I know, assuming this the 'Dr. Gary' she was dating, is he was a slime-ball boyfriend and was making money hand-over-fist by his strange cure claims. That is all I remember (it was years ago).
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I saw this guy on a PBS style program talking about his AIDS cure (15 years ago). As far as I can tell, AIDS is still incurable, but I am not as smart as tunsky. As a funny side note about this guy, he was dating an SGI member that was semi-friendly with my wife.
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deren84, sorry to hear about your plight with this group. Did you seek out this 'self-help group' because of your feelings of guilt or were your feelings of guilt created and/or amplified by attending this group? Can you tell us what your therapy group is called and who it is run by if you know? Thanks and goodluck with your struggle.
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irene, From your moniker I don't know if you are a 'one-posting poster' expecting us to contact you on email (which I do not want to do, sorry anonymous postings protect our free speech and safety from cults and cult retribution). I hope you check the post you started and become active here. I looked into the con-artist Jarl Moe and his claims. He claims 'cash investme
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jocas1875, GET YOUR MONEY BACK IMMEDIATELY! If you really believe in clairvoyance then buy a USD$1.00 paperback book in a bargain-bin at a used book store. THIS IS A SCAM. Trust your feelings. GET YOUR MONEY BACK! (shouting/off).
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Here is an older thread I found on him doing a message board search. Hope this helps a little. It appears he is a con-artist dodging taxation by seeking out foreign countries/cities to base himself in. I don't see why anyone would pay him for his advice since with a little research you can get all this information for free. Also, as you can see from Rick Ross' comments, this
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SkepticalChick; Looking into the site, they offer classes in Dream Interpretation, Astrology and Vision Quests. They are also non-profit so the leader "John" probably makes outrageous amounts of money.
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I did a google search on Copeland's death and I think I can safely say this is another reason to not trust Wikipedia as 'gospel'. He is 72 years old and apparantly still going strong in fleecing his flock. If you go to his website, there is no mention of his recent demise.
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SeanK, thank you so much for your great insight into this arm of Sterling. You are a great assest here. Please continue your great postings. My questions are, did you beat on drums and sit around camp fires like the people I knew in similar "cults"?
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hattah, you know what your grandma said? "You can judge a person by the company they keep". That being said Sons of Maine are apparently associated with Sterling Institute...see: And Landmark of all god-awful things: And MKP: Yep. All the above stink worse than 3 day old fish in the garbage. Therefore, by association, the Sons of Maine are useless dangerous stin
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Interesting post, The Anticult. I think that those who trust their lil' popsicle asses after death with the uneducated fools posing as 'scientists' should pay attention and think again. I'm not an automechanic so if you bring your car to me to fix, don't expect much of anything. The human body is certainly more sophisticated than a Buick Skylark and I doubt the "I
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Just a light read of the "Sons of Maine" site makes me smile. 'The Sword in the Stone' graphic, the young greek 'god' graphic and the gorilla (cave man?) graphic along with the word 'Warrior' tells me all I personally need to know...this is a standard sit around a fire in circles, beat a drum and curse your mother sort of self-awareness crap very popular a
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bacon, I respect your opinions, but I do believe that your referring to Psychiatrists as a "soft science" to need a little deeper explaination. I know that the "Last Frontier" of understanding the mind is in its infancy, but the term 'soft science' makes it sound like you are dismissing an entire branch of medical science (whose papers and studies are peer reviewed
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Wow, The Anticult...I'm glad you are on our side. Did Alcor look at these posts and publish accordingly? Can we expect to see that poor bastard who most likely died from a "Talk and Die" head injury (Billy Mays(sp?), the famous Oxi-clean huckster) to also have a *MAGICALLY APPEARING* contract with Alcor? What can attorney generals of the states do to stop this stupid and evil ab
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Anon1, great link. I was just musing about cryonics getting their cold little hooks into someone like Jackson by lying about it...who knew these creeps would actually claim this? Can a lawsuit to get the controlling share of the Beatles music be far away?
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It will be interesting if Alcor does all it can to invite celebs to a free seminar and get them to sign something prior to a "tube" and lab tour which has small print giving Alcor control of them after death. Far fetched, but I trust cults as much as I trust a shark swimming toward me. It almost takes on a LDS (Mormon) flavor, where the LDS priests preform "Baptisms" on al
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so The Anticult, do you believe that Alcor may have a "tube" with Michael's name on it? I know Jackson has been involved in some weird shi...stuff over the years, but don't you think your suggestion might be a stretch?
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New Era seems to have such apparent ties to Lifespring et al it is unbelievable. Years ago as a sales rep at a sales convention, Lifespring (attending the same Hilton) tried to rope me in with their clean-cut pretty 'salespeople'. When I told them 'yes, I've heard you are a cult' the pretty salespeople ran like the cockroaches they were, looking to grab other young busi
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Also if you believe that what you wrote is true QUOTE:"...while New Era will probably just have to give that person a monetary refund..." if the person is not satisfied. Rrrrrright. You are a true apologist.
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bacon; WOW! I mean, are you re-reading your posts before sending? Example: bacon QUOTE"...The only credentials that the staff had that I worked with at New Era was that they genuinely cared a lot. I believe most of the staff is unpaid and are willing to do their best for everyone. Generally speaking, good-hearted volunteers can be trusted..." I care a lot about many things. How
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