Nightbird, I lost a spouse 0f 20+ yrs (no, not for any other reason ) due to LEC, but my daughter (who tried to stop my now ex from driving away by jumping on the hood of my ex's car) after an intervention attempt endured that & sees what one of her best friend's (& mom & dad) are wrapped up into Gather info/knowledge, support groups - BE CAREFUL tho-keep y
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Lucretia, You have led me to re-look at "old wound" or rather intuitive sense of what haqppened with my spouse & LEC and IBI...she denied, even to our daughter that she was laying-it-out with others... After the Advanced course Sunday, she called & said she was staying in the Windy-city as she & other students were going to a bar...tho she asked me to go if
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Celina, It was mentioned to me by an exit counselor that many USA military & folks in Wash, DC have been "compromised" ("you're either with us or against us"? ) or "They don't know what they don't know" :roll: Facism on the grow???? A whole New world order or is it really just a repeat of what has been? WHat is, is...What isn&
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Marc, That's a great take on IMO, appears to be prevalent in the USA and Mr. Shrub & his twigs are trying to spread.....lay-out any non-honkies (they are expendable!!!!! :evil: A possible scenario could have been: "Let's get into IRAQ whatever way possible (said the Haliburton god to the Shrub Puppet) and if OBL (Laden) is ready ,Thank god the CIA was training hi
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Antipathwork, Amazing how similar to the way my spouse acted after starting LEC. Again it shows how powerful the techniques are, no matter by what person or group. Perhaps we here in the USA need to see just how we are being dealt with on an consumer/economy level to purchase stuff. Ever notice how bizarre ads are, what they are appealing to...what skull & bones are doing...how market
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

My spouse told me (she was really unaware of what she was telling me)when I asked her what her duty was in volunteering at another Forum (another chance to get them zonked again) , she said handling the thermostat...now previously I had found some info on controlling the speed of any fans, the temperature and blocking any sight of the outside world while being "Forumized", along with t
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Being in the "credit industry", it has been widely know for years that the (not all) have "had it out for the US" to rip them off back for what the US Gov. has done there (Oh, what a surprise :?: ) In the early days, you could immediately eye a false application by the fact that it was typed & had periods after everything (name, add, etc) :o But then "gr
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Lucretia, Thank you for you coments. It must have been very difficult for you also... I'm glad to hear that you are now on the "return flight" :) IMO, I find it interesting that people "engulfed" by a cult-technique group seem to appear all the same to outsiders (those of us) but not to themselves or the other "members, students, etc" But it rea
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Is that pic a Dr. Phil Make-under? It seems the brands used to be humane beings....They had pts of view (vocalized), personalities (unto their own & Kool! - not all look like the same ole' box - imagine after WWi how our country (USA) was - chock full of diversifed folks!!! How wunderful...now we seem to be looking like Nazi Germany alot...IMO, the only difference between Us &q
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Try parascope.com for some interesting viewpoints...re: W-YA :roll: P.A.X.
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Glam, I read your post on the other site...stay the course with the truth! P.A.X.
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lovinglife, I also FEEL that I need to ask you whay th e semantic word used is more important than the meaning of what I said?....is it due to any type of "educational" training that you might have had in the Windy - city? Who was your Forum leader when you attended? P. A. X.
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Marc, Excellent way to describe what it looked like to me (spouse - now ex-spouse) of how it was when I attended the "grad" (of what????) night with the now ex-spouse! I couldn't help but notice the zombie behavior of the people in the lobby, the main hall & the wunderful "guess-room" (purposely not guest :D ) I was "hit-on" by a LEC plant, o
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Escapee & Jewells, I might suggest checking-out Carol Giambolvo's site. Since I am not sure the spelling is correct, try a search engine for her! Good Luck! I f I find my notes, I will post. P A X
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Tony-baby is well known to be one of the best hypnotists in the world... So its no wonder that snake-oil salespeople would adopt Psychological techniques over time, just like the product marketers do.
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"tiny boxes and they all come out the same" - a really old song Why does taking a SELF (oneself!) improvement course, produce so many look-alikes? (zealots) Pax
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Does anyone had some contact with a UCC church?
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(Formerly known as Income Builders International) Moderator, any complaints received? Thank you.
Forum: Multi Level Marketing and Commercial Schemes

Speranza, You are at the trrailhead of where I was 4+ yrs ago with my spouse.... In the hope of saving you precious time and heartbreak....realize 1st-off you are seeing the dealings of a ruthless/money-oriented/morally coreless organization...at the very LEAST......it is time to act..but realize that anything that you do could/will be a lose-lose situation for you, because your friend will
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In the "Windy City" there is more than one "LEC-effect" storm.I begin today to take the first step report of what has taken place in my life over the past 4.5 years regarding my spouse and connection with LEC. Having seen it 1st-hand and the progression day-to-day over many months was, well the worst thing that I have ever been through. Nothing, absolutely nothing could be wor
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