Q4truth, Thank you for you words...tho I have not been "under the influence" but only suffered 2nd - hand smoke-damage...I really appreciate you candid expression of what you endure (d)....I feel that even tho I am only a "second - hander " (I refuse to use the word victim), I have "endured/survived/gained )from a different position (I hope that even Glam might "g
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Would all of you agree to have a thread on the "appearance" of the air of our conversations on this board...does it seem that we don't discuss...we just seem to refute/banter/slam other/oppostite views (Over the past 4 yrs.10 months)??? Both sides prob would agree that what is is, what isn't ain't... :wink: but what are your feelings, real insights into why you take a
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Hope, The "least" of it, is taht you did what was/is right.....in many ways that those of us non-swimmers know..... "keep the path"... :lol: PAX G
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Glam, I'm don't want to be in-appropriate, I just think that someone (ok, me), should tell you that your commenting is RIGHT ON....I enjoy your thought process and the message that you deliver...It seems that you are "driven "like I am... THaNK you..for being you....(I'm just thinking, no feeling, that sometimes we all need to hear a diff voice in our heads instead
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Cosmo p' I agree with alot of the point you make but all is not just black or white... My wife did a 187 degree chg during/after/post LEC, for diff reasons than the ways others have suffered. IMO, each individual A"incident" is an event "unto itself".....the preach is self improve ("but we can't tell ya beforehand what it might be-surprise!) but the del
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Had a lady friend who tried to convince me to join some sessions with her..to enlarge her growing fold of (so far) none.....she had this "lit-up-deer-eyes-look" - she was already "taken"!!! She was in real estate (many yrs) and had "chewed" into th Q-beef! PAX
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Has anyone been asscociated/had other (friend/rel) experience with your (or sig other or "mon ami') employer offering (as a benefit) practitioner services from Christian Science????????? :?: Thanks... PAX
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Rough, Your comments are "right on it" ! Having lost my wife to LEC, I experienced exactly what you detailed, but rather a mirror-image. She was highly vulnerable and extrememly argumentative and defensive of LEC. I still remember how she kept repeating to me about the Harvard article (which Harvard had demanded LEC to stop using the Harvard name), to try to continue to recruit m
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Because of other groups using the techniques lead others to use them (IMO) for the same bottom-line aspect.....GREED...thru the somewhat easy way... PAX
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Savernake, You hit the head -on the - nail( :D ) - borne in the US and then "spread" ... Something to do with "consumerizing? PAX
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I have learned along the way that less than 1% of all the USA therapists have had any experience with "cult victims" or associates (my own term) SO you need (unfortunately) to be very careful who you connect with on this basis also...... Is this a strange "marble" we live on or what? PAX
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We agree to disagree with respect.... THaNX....for your response and moderating! PAX
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence

Glam & Sonnie Dee, Its labeled "doing the 380" Lotso politicians& magicians (is there any diff? :roll: ) regularly do it.... divert attention oppositely away from what you really are doing/intending...lieke (purposely missspelledddd :D ) I was going to give some examples, but "ya'all" are wise enough to get it!!!! PAX
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Would your censorship :lol: not appeared if I had inserted a IMO in the comments? I agree with staying to topic but censorship? :cry: I realize you tow a tough rope, so to speak, but hey.... By the way, witj all due respect, plz give all of us insight into the moderator role, just for FYI ...is it one person, several rotating post reviews, what are the parameters, etc.... Just tho
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Toni, You are strong enough to make your own decisions and must do so for you & you only...However we all (as rational humane beings)sometimes need to hear advice from people trying to help (you know how to critical think and decipher what is healthy for you and what is not, right? Even in times of severe stress or onslaught, stay true to your intuition...the true answer is there..if y
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on this one I will disagree with you.... It is tied to the thread more than you apparently have privy too..????? But your in the censor "chair" I'll "play" with your rules...... :roll:
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moderator, I apologize for such!
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

Sometimes I feel that the powers-that-be in any country use the religious -side of things to keep the "herd" in control.. "G bless the usa, Allah, etc... more motions to keep us apart & non-alert as to what is really going on... PAX
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The person who tried the intervention of my spouse mentioned that many in Wash, D.C & military (did THEY really need it? :D ) have been "compromised" remember hearing...They don't know what they don't know? By the way, can you imagine a voting block created with thousands upon thousands of people with a post-hypnotic suggestion or simply through having manip
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It was with professional help -
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Mikinos, My spouse was involved with LEC and we tried an intervention attempt (unsuccessful) Early on whenever I tried to "lightly" ask questions about the "training", it would be taken as a negative attempt against what the LEC "belief system" as I call it, and suddenly become physically rattled, neck veins would pop out along with never heard -before profani
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YB, You know how when two people are walking toward each other, you step aside to let them by, but they step aside in the same direction, then you step aside again the other way with them doing the same. I did that little dance by accident one time with one of the monastics on the grounds -- he looked like he wanted to rip me to pieces with his bear hands after The comedian George Carlin ad
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Apta, Rather than experiencing "something" that tells you that they HAVE the answer for all your longings, why not try to find it yourself, questioning a 'too-good-to -be true seminar of weekend self-improvement (we improve $$-wise, your left on your own) group? How could you be "transformed" for a price? If someone, anyone really had the answer talent, why would
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Lucretia, Sometimes I think the answer lies in the CULTure....notice I said sometimes... I had always said a phrase to my ex (pre _ LEC) WASASS :evil: (we are such a strange species) - "we humanes are an addictive species -that can be preyed upon. Yeah, on one hand I feel that some of us are "prone" to be "picked off of the herd" while some of us, REALLY see
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Wellspring was highly rec'd to me from my sources if my spouse would be "exited" successfully from LEC (nope)... That's mainly why I am here now and have been simply silently readung the posts for almost 5 yrs! PAX
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups

Lovinglife, Please give me your view on why you needed an "outside source" )other than your own critical thinking abiliities) to achieve what you say you did.. I am not asking in order to judge, rather i am asking to learn... THaNX... PAX
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

Hope, I was referring to a credit card commercial that runs here in the US.. they are relentless pillagers/brutes unless, you have a Cap One credit card in your wallet....
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Identity is replaced with Theirdentity!
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put the Capital One guys on his a-- but clean out his wallet beforehand! :lol:
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Moderator, A reply please.... Like the real estate people that "barracuda-ize Lec's Forum, Ibi does similar.... check 'em out ...I have 2nd hand experience only & comparing that to my 2 LEC grad night visits, it's worse... Plz repond and have you guys check into to prevent others from being prey...I lost everything but want to do what I possibly can to help
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