Quote- I see on the one hand lots of messages by grown up teachers (including Johnny Mac) talking about godly living, while on the other hand I see their youth that listens to these messages acting like lawless arrogant 'heathens'. If these youth after these public videos are still allowed to counsel, never having to repent of this public shameful behaviour (having the pretence of Chris
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I would like to examine this quote from the John MacArthur Restoration definition..... "This means that all believers are STILL struggling against sin. The question is NOT will sin be present on our campus, the question is WHAT WE WILL DO about it. ( emphasis mine) By John MacArthur's own admission, there can never be what he calls "restoration" Because acco
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Compare these definitions of unsafe groups: Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. That is specifically, no democratically elected government by the general membership through boards and officers as established by bylaws that can discipline and/or dismiss the pastor. No tolerance for questions or critical inq
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Here's the John MacArthurian "definition" of "Restoration" Restoration is the process of identifying sin in the life of a believer, helping them to see it, and mending the broken relationship between the person in sin and God. Restoration may also include mending broken relationships between people caused by sin. All believers in Christ are in the process of God ma
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I'm starting a new thread - I will PM the name to you all. I will post every tag I can think of so it will come up first on search engines and consolidate all the info we have here so it is concise and irrefutable. Please Do Not post on it, but PM me your thoughts so I can make it concise. It will be clean / factual / to the point I will cover works salvation - no-medic counsel
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I think bjws assessment may be more correct, because, if you didn't go in a perfectionist you surely become one after the brainwashing. Or lose your salvation. It is a very dangerous cult. John Macarthur, de facto Accuser of the brethren. How he makes a "ministry" out of it is beyond my human faculties. gtw?
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Hi Mhbm, Remember Legalism knows no bounds, they are caught in a never ending "trying to be good and obedient" (as if God is handing out gold stars or they can get extra credit.) it may not be "said" in JM Churches, but "implied" that holidays are pagan and if you want to be a first class Christian, well you might get a little more respect, status, etc. fo
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Hi Everyone, Here's an article on breaking sessions, Quote~ Breaking sessions are one of the methods used by extreme groups as a way of identity destruction . Bombard them with accusations.... The basic scenario is to isolate the person and to start accusing them of various transgressions. It may start with small things that is easy for them to admit and then steadily escalate with
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quote- (A favorite technique they like to use is get you to tell the same story over and over, and then take any "discrepancies" to prove you are lying.) Hmm...they do that in North Korean prison camps too. Also- police interrogations. Oh, and the secular cults too. James 3:17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and go
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Hi Mark, In light of recent events I must say one more thing about Calvinists. They believe that God bombed the Boston marathon. I will say it again -THEY BELIEVE THAT GOD BOMBED THE MARATHON! For those of you who are lurking Calvinists, Please rethink this evil characterization of our holy benevolent God. quote- God sovereignly controls Satan's every move. This makes God t
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Hello Sandeep, How can we help you?
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Thanks for bringing us back to the main topic : John MacArthur confuses repentance with the fruits of repentance, and also to confuse faith with that which faith ought to produce. He confuses saving faith (which takes place in a moment of time--Rom. 13:11; Eph. 1:13) with discipleship (which is a lifelong process). It has been said, "Lordship salvation is not the childlike fa
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Quote/Mark Scheiderer Used to go to a church pastored by a Calvinist, and left because EVERY sermon started sounding the same. .......Every sermon sounds the same because they only have a Limited God to teach about, so they either argue constantly about nonsensense OR do what John Macarthur does, Makes Sure You Are A Christian By Examining Your Life And Making Sure You Submit To All Aut
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Ok -I thought I would enlighten folks with the incessant caterwauling Calvinist do over completely useless doctrines. They had to make up their own vocabulary to slice hairs over how God Selects people for heaven or Hell, now it may seem laughable to normal people, even boring, but I assure you they are constantly arguing over these things. They think THIS arguing is walking in faith
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Mark, if you copy the quote and paste in your search engine you will find the author, but I didn't mention his name because frankly -it was only just an example of how every good Calvinist wholesale broker that information of John Calvin's serial killings. Everyone who does something wrong *thinks* they are doing something "right" at the time. That's the pr
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It is interesting how they wholesale broker John Calvin's murders, here's one defender of wonderful Calvin terrorism. ( Again God is *sovereign*, so He must have made John Calvin do these things, it's a slight twist on the " devil made me do it") Quote: So, what are we to make of all this? Times have changed and certainly no one would argue that executing he
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(Hopefully, the "Evangelical Pope" , John MacArthur, will be dethroned before a spirit of persecution rises up among his followers.) .....uhhhh, ya! they are already here! If they all want to follow that foul doctrine and live miserable lives following John Macarthur, Fine. I am here because his "master pastor factory" are slanderers, liars, treacherous, th
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JM network church leaders always insist that what they teach is orthodox, nondenominational and Bible-centered. When confronted with the fact that their teaching is neo-Calvinistic, they'll deny it and say it's merely genuine Christian teaching. Since they do not recognize any other doctrine as being genuinely Christian, they do not recognize their doctrine as being neo-Calvinistic. To
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People in these churches are so overwhelmed with guilt over their sins (little things like overeating and poor housekeeping) that they themselves ask to be publicly disciplined for them. They view normal stumblings, doubts or emotional lows as evidence that they were never saved in the first place, so you will see people in these churches get rebaptized whenever they come out of a low point in th
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John Macarthurs soteriology is reformed - his eschatology is dispensational. Most Calvinists are unchristlike when you have a discussion about TULIP, which very simply means: God does not love the whole world so He selected some to be saved and the rest to be damned to hell, no one has a choice in the matter, which is massively ironic that they are so worried about everyone's t
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Lassotheglen, You have an excellent grasp at what is going on in Christendom, They. Are. Taking. Over! They have a plan and are executing it all over the world. The last two churches I attended said they were Non denominational, in their doctrinal statements and even membership Classes, Then, when it comes out you are not a Calvinist ( Reformed) and do not admire and love John Macar
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Mark & Bjw Let's always go to the root of the problem it's not his wife, it's not his underlings it's not his house or dogs or museum that's the problem. The Problem is John MacArthur's false gospel and demonic control of people through means of mental, emotional and spiritual terrorism. I think that's succinct enough. gtw?
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Very well said, Lass o the glen, Thats why im here too! Thank you! gtw?
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Remember, it is the followers RUNNING the organization that are the goons. It is the victims that we are trying to help. Many may need help escaping, some have given up everything they own or all their savings to go to college and going back home is not an option, some have family that are trapped in and they will lose all of their family relationships if they leave, some have been convinced they
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Hi Mark, I am using JMs full name in my posts, so that when people google anything about him our discussions will come up. As to whether his wife is this or that or his house size or calling his people goons, I would humbly ask you to remember we are trying to reach these people who are in this horrible bondage, some of them are sweet people, I love them dearly and I think calling t
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It appears he gives general consevative influence just short of endorsing anybody, except he did a youtube dissertation on "why it's ok for Christians to vote for Mormons". But Actually John Macarthur doesn't care if its Hitler or Stalin as long as you SUBMIT to them, you shall be safe guarded against going to hell, Phew!!! ( I was really worried about that! *rol
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Hi Mark, Oh here is the sermon of Gty files... blech. I wonder if John Macarthur would have us take the mark of the Beast, to submit to authorities? I wonder how many of JMs worshippers would do it? What an amazing flavored Kool-Aid he peddles, its called ...Slave. Sorry John Macarthur- here's a News Flash for ya.. I am a Blood bought child of the Living God, holy an
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Looks like early 2010? I'm sure if someone pinned JM down on what he said about submitting to hitler or stalin, he would wordsmith his way out of it. He's pretty good at that. But there is no "context" to undo that statement.
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Here's a rabid Macarthian defending this statement because John Macarthur said we should submit to hitler... ....notice the wording of pjmiller, as if a person who did not engage in helping hitler kill Jews is being disobedient to the BIBLE, and therefore going to hell ( per usual statements made by these followers of John Macarthur) " Oh, I soooo agree with killing inno
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Yup..... Prominent U.S. Pastor of Grace Community Church, John MacArthur, teaches his congregation that we must be subject to the civil authorities even to Hitler or Stalin LOS ANGELES, March 4 /Christian Newswire/ -- Using Nehemiah as an example, Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment have notified the Mayor, 15 City Council Members, the City Attorney and the Police Chief of Los Ange
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