I think the other hook about JM and his minions, is if you have an IQ higher than 75, it's very hard to find bible teachers that have something intelligent to say, which is incredibly sad, because the bible is a treasure trove of precious gems just waiting to be mined by even the most casual reader. That is a Big Hook for these people. I have heard them say " where else
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Hi Everyone, Marks book recommendation brings up another paradoxical thing we came up against in these John Macarthurite Churches. When we explained to people why we left the church, outlining the abuse done to us and having witnessed others being abused, we often heard some variation of this: "Im so sorry that happened to you, and truly I believe you, but the Teaching here is So
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We've mentioned it elsewhere in this thread, but the list in the MacArthur study bible that allegedly proves/disproves your salvation under the Lordship Salvation beliefs, and is what the counselors and most Lordship believers go by when evaluating how they are doing would be good to have in light of this thread, so I thought I would post it here. As a quick disclaimer, all commentary on the
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mhbm, Just to condense what John Macarthur is saying: " Any Christian who thinks they are having a direct encounter with the Living God, through feelings, experience or prayer, is most likely interacting and being deceived by satan." To me, this would insure that followers of John macarthur would make sure they don't have any feelings whatsoever, they might be doi
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Heres is John Macarthur on Chrismatics..... The Charismatic Reproduction of Corinth I'm afraid that what has happened today in the Charismatic movement is just a reproduction of exactly what happened in Corinth. Because of a deadness in the church, because of years of ignorance of the true work of the Holy Spirit, because of a lack of good Bible teaching, and because of the dearth of a
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Here is excellent example of how John Macarthur speaks out of both sides of his mouth..... In response to the question, “Since you wrote Charismatic Chaos we have seen the unexpected confluence of Reformed theology with charismatic beliefs (such as in the Sovereign Grace family of churches). If you were to write the book today, how would you affirm both love and critique for today’s Reformed C
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Heres some stories of sexual abuse by SGrace hyper-authoritarian victims (hint- women are not "worth" as much as men in these neo-reformed churches) CJ Mahaney is the leader of this movement, and just took a paid sabbatical to self reflect on his failings. Hmm, sounds like a nice vacation to me...where can I get a gig like that? Do a horrible job, morally- spiritually -ethically,
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QuoteLass o' the Glenmhbm -- It's been my experience that attempts to dissuade MacArthur followers from believing the false teaching only causes them to hang on tighter to it. They are convinced that they alone possess God's truth, and that anyone who doesn't believe as they do is a false Christian. I myself was very stubborn in this regard, to which my family and friends can
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Hi mhbm, Heres a good definition: "Destructive cults, groups, movements and/or leaders "maintain intense allegiance through the arguments of their ideology, and through social and psychological pressures and practices that, intentionally or not, amount to conditioning techniques that constrict attention, limit personal relationships, and devalue reasoning." -- Margaret Si
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Yes, the spiritual Elitism John Macarthur breeds into his victims, along with the constant, but subtle, condemnation, turns a person into a desperately condemned person who must go out and find others to bring them into the same bondage, "to glory in the flesh" as Paul wrote in his Epistle to the Galatians. So Yes she wants you to confess to her, she would feel good again, until the
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Hello mhbn, Yes, Shunning is the primary means of control in John Macarthur influenced churches - Shunning and Shaming. It is also what typical cults do. Guilt is a powerful motivator so John Macaurthur must shame his followers into following his dictates or they to will be shunned. It's a pretty well documented way to control people. It's very hard to control Free peo
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Have you been attending a John Macarthur influenced church? Have you been questioning why you always feel condemned, guilty, worried about your salvation? Do you lack joy, love and peace? Please share your story. gtw?
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I am wondering if anyone out there has had a John Macarthur church takeover by one of his Masters College graduates, OR by the infiltration of John Macarthur followers coming into a church, eventually usurping the senior pastor through hostile takeover? Are you wondering why this happened? gtw?
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QuoteMysteryofthegospelDear GTW?: This is a great site. I read it. Everything that Immel says is so true. This is a dangerous cult and like Immel I was steeped in it and God took Me out. I must say, I threw all of MacArthur's tapes and books out. If I am going to document him I can get it on the internet because his lies are all over the place and you can get so much info how he twis
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Here's a pretty good exposé by a former rabid respecter of John Macarthur... Gtw?
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To Anyone, Does anybody have Any explaination why John Macarthur is friends with and supports C J Mahaney who believes in the gifts of the Holy Spirit? John Macarthur is vehemetly anti- charismatic even wrote a book about it, -Chrismatic Chaos- condemning all pentecostals and charismatics as demonicly possessed or just insane. Intersting, how with one fell swoop John Macarthur damns
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Hi MOTG, One thing i wanted to ask you, did you know if any suicides by people attending the church or their family members? The reason i ask is that when i was attending mini john churches the suicides and attemps along with depression were common in peoples families. Gtw?
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Hi MOTG, I am SOOOO glad you were not personally abused by the doctrine, or abused with "church disipline" or tried to comfort women and couldnt understand why they kept heaping condemnation on thmselves on top of the horrible life experiences they were induring. Its The Doctrine, Its the Doctrine, Its the Doctrine! I finally GOT IT! I got it by the Holy Soirit of God reveal
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Hi MOTG, Glad you like my name, it sorta encapsulates my whole opinion.....Who exactly is the one doling out the Grace of God? And to whom? Does John MacArthur have some sort of franchise set up with the God of the Universe? "Grace to you" reminds me of Lucy's lemonade stand from peanuts cartoon strip " all you can drink lemonade" is what the sign says, t
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Hello MOTG, Wow, what a sad but ringingly true commentary of the man who is the " pope of protestantism." Several of us have been victims of the "mini Johns" he sends out, he does many many takeovers of churches with his Disciples that come out of masters college. I do not know him, but was treated so badly and in a very very evil but similiar way, 2000 miles apart
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QuoteMysteryofthegospelHi: I am new to this forum. In act, I didn't know about this until a couple of days ago. I have some information that might help you to evaluation both Grace Community Church and John MacArthur. I was a member of Grace for twenty years. I know John personally and have attended studies at the Master's College under their Professional Bible Program. If anyon
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QuoteteacherHello to all of you and aplogies for not having answered sooner. I followed your answers on my mobile but writing on it is another thing and I'm not very good! Finally I have a moment to use my pc and just wanted to get back to you although it will have to be briefly because I have to work. If someone had told me that I would have seen my dad's church taken over by a sect I
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Hi Teacher, I do not have access to newspapers but John Macarthur is beyond questioning, as he slips in and out of his teachings at his convenience. But what is especially disturbing is the laughable name of his church 'Grace to you' There is no grace in these churches. I agree that we need to expose his teachings but I propose a different angle, instead of calling ourselves
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Hi Teacher, have you been exposed to these churches ? Or are u speaking of christian churches in general? What part of Europe? How can we help you? In Christ, gracetowho?
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QuoteBraveHeartQuotebjwQuoteBraveHeart I have read your objection to what you called Lordship salvation maybe you could enlighten us me to what is your Soteriology the doctrines of salvation. Just to prove that I did say what my soteriology (doctrine of salvation) is in an earlier post in this thread, here is what I said in September 2010 on page 6 of this thread, underline added for emphasis:
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QuoteBraveHeartQuotebjwQuoteBraveHeart I have read your objection to what you called Lordship salvation maybe you could enlighten us me to what is your Soteriology the doctrines of salvation. Just to prove that I did say what my soteriology (doctrine of salvation) is in an earlier post in this thread, here is what I said in September 2010 on page 6 of this thread, underline added for emphasis:
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Hi BHeart, Forgot to mention, a few good teachers that are much better. Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, you know, God, the bible. It is in our nature to follow "a man" but Jesus said don't call anyone your teacher or leader etc. Our problem is we just "have to have" a guru to hop on board with, but Jesus said " Follow Me" He said "follow Me&quo
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Hi BHeart, The theology JM espouses is that we are saved by: Faith + Works = Salvation This is basically catholic theology Protestant theology is: Faith Alone = Salvation, period. and FREE WILL good works for the joy of our salvation. But the TACTICS of JM churches is not only that you must have "good works", but they are going to make darn sure you are following JM UNIL
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QuoteMark ScheidererGracetowho? - Have you ever gone to and checked out the negative comments by former Bob Jones University students? Your comments above sound similar to theirs. (MacA attended Bob Jones in the '60's and I think a lot of his persona was effected by his time there. My opinion.) "bjw" would be a good person for you to private message. Could you share mor
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QuoteMark ScheidererGracetowho? - Have you ever gone to and checked out the negative comments by former Bob Jones University students? Your comments above sound similar to theirs. (MacA attended Bob Jones in the '60's and I think a lot of his persona was effected by his time there. My opinion.) "bjw" would be a good person for you to private message. Could you share mor
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