QuoteLass o' the Glenbjw -- The MacArthur Study Bible is now available in NASB and the highly prized ESV version. You have to wonder about a Bible in which the pages are 1/4 scripture and 3/4 commentary. And the fact that the word "MacArthur" on the cover is five times the size of the word "Bible". I'm actually quite shocked to hear this. When I was in they had
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QuoteteacherSo he is not against the Jews having a Church of their own? and he doesn't believe that a new Jerusalem is going to come? John MacArthur is not a Reformed theologian, he has plagiarized various views from many different backgrounds. He has some elements of Reformed theology, but he rejects their eschatology. In fact, he teaches that amillenialism and preterism are heresies. H
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QuoteMark ScheidererQuotegracetowho?Hi Mark, I am using JMs full name in my posts, so that when people google anything about him our discussions will come up. As to whether his wife is this or that or his house size or calling his people goons, I would humbly ask you to remember we are trying to reach these people who are in this horrible bondage, some of them are sweet people, I lov
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QuoteLass o' the Glenteacher -- The authors of that website on angelfire don't give citations for the quotes they attribute to people. I did a quick look around the web and discovered that Arnold Fruchtenbaum is a messianic dispensationalist with a Masters of Divinity from Dallas Theological Seminary. He's the founder of Ariel Ministries. He recommends a few of MacArthur's boo
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Quotegracetowho?Hi Mark, As to whether his wife is this or that or his house size or calling his people goons, I would humbly ask you to remember we are trying to reach these people who are in this horrible bondage, some of them are sweet people, I love them dearly and I think calling them all goons is not conducive to the discussion. I am making some bold statements concerning the lo
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QuotemhbmThis submission to authorities topic has raised a question in my mind. Does MacArthur advise people about how to vote in a presidential election say? I can answer this. During the 2 years I was in the cult, I remember those who did not vote Republican being subjected to the Restoration Process. So, in that respect, yes, they did control who you voted for. Further, chapel speakers wou
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QuoteMark Scheiderer On those 3 points alone, MacArthurism is a freaking CULT. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One other thing: Does anybody have a photo of MacArthur's mansion that can be posted on the net? I can back this up. GCC presents John MacArthur to marks as a scholar that has done reasearch across the board on all Christi
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Quotegracetowho? If List I is true of a person and List II is false, there is cause to question the validity of one's profession of faith. Yet if List II is true, then the top list will be also. ......Ok theres something I always notice with John Macarthur, its always -Genuine, Authentic, True, Selfless, Continual, etc Like a person born again is suddenly going to be ...perfect.
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We've mentioned it elsewhere in this thread, but the list in the MacArthur study bible that allegedly proves/disproves your salvation under the Lordship Salvation beliefs, and is what the counselors and most Lordship believers go by when evaluating how they are doing would be good to have in light of this thread, so I thought I would post it here. As a quick disclaimer, all commentary on th
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Quotegracetowho?QuoteLass o' the Glenmhbm -- It's been my experience that attempts to dissuade MacArthur followers from believing the false teaching only causes them to hang on tighter to it. They are convinced that they alone possess God's truth, and that anyone who doesn't believe as they do is a false Christian. I myself was very stubborn in this regard, to which my family
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Quoteteacherhi all,the idea for an informative awareness web is developing but we really need people to help us.you will remain anonymous but we need people to write experiences and truth.please think about being part of this! This is one thing that has stopped me from speaking out or starting a website or blog. It is hard to remain anonomous these days, and the risk of retaliation is always t
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QuotemhbmLass o' the Glen, thank you so much for your words of encouragement. A couple years ago, when we were having a not-so-pleasant phone conversation, she stated, "I'm not in a cult." I had not said anything about her being in a cult at that time, and I really didn't think she was then, but I could tell that GCC was having an affect on her views. Is it the right t
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The links posted do a good job showing some of the heresies taught by the cult, as well as how they deviate from mainstream Christianity. However, one overlooked aspect is the counseling doctrines. This is probably the most dangerous aspect, because they believe mental illness is caused by unconfessed sin. It later gets more extreme where all problems in your life are blamed on this. The &quo
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QuoteteacherI am concerned.the followers who lead the churches,at least the one i know, are liars and dictators.i am sadly in europe. Well, I think "liars and dictators" pretty much describes it. I think even in Europe you can make a difference. Unfortunately, they are roping in people overseas and getting them to study at their campuses here in America. Therefore, even in other cou
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This message was e-mailed to the community today, it tells a little more about what happened. I feel so sad for Paul and his family and I am confident he is now in Heaven, and I also hope that an investigation is made so we can know exactly what took place. Please keep all involved in this incident in your prayers: Dear TMC Alum, I am writing to inform you of the passing of one of our new
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There's been another death in the TMC Community. I thought I would post about it on here. I think we should reserve passing judgment on this until the authorities decide what actually happened: Urgent Press Release -- Student Accident FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Santa Clarita, Calif. – August 23, 2012 – Students from The Master's College were participating in a recreational trip t
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Yep, they really did give him his own museum. The proof: http://www.masters.edu/legacy-center-completed.aspx http://www.the-signal.com/archives/64011/
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QuoteMarmy Tactic #32: When your effort to browbeat the lessers isn't going well, try condescending remarks in an effort to diminish the value of the other person's feelings and opinions. Remember, their feelings and opinions are irrelevant because they don't see things your way. Besides, if they're really believers, what are they doing with feelings and opinions anyway? I cou
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QuoteBraveHeartQuotebjwQuoteBraveHeart I have read your objection to what you called Lordship salvation maybe you could enlighten us me to what is your Soteriology the doctrines of salvation. Just to prove that I did say what my soteriology (doctrine of salvation) is in an earlier post in this thread, here is what I said in September 2010 on page 6 of this thread, underline added for emphasis:
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QuoteBraveHeart I have read your objection to what you called Lordship salvation maybe you could enlighten us me to what is your Soteriology the doctrines of salvation. Just to prove that I did say what my soteriology (doctrine of salvation) is in an earlier post in this thread, here is what I said in September 2010 on page 6 of this thread, underline added for emphasis: Quotebjw Now, I do no
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QuoteBraveHeartReading some of the rants they are such Straw-man arguments. An argument is not a "straw man" argument if it is based on facts. The suicides, MacArthur museum, denial of mental illness, and authoritarian leadership (aggressive discipline) were all proven in previous posts with links provided and are indesputable facts. At least 3 people on here are former members of the
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QuoteMark Scheiderer bjw - I clicked on the link above, read the article and could not believe this part: "John MacArthur is a very humble gentleman", Tatlock said. I have NEVER, EVER heard anybody describe MacA as humble. The word I hear the most about him, from nearly everyone I have talked to is how ARROGANT he is! What lunacy! These people are idolators!!! The w
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For those of you researching this group I thought I would put an article here from the New York Times about the cult's damaging Nouthetic Counseling doctrines: http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/20/us/church-sued-over-a-suicide-says-it-will-change-training.html A few things to note here: It admits that the cult teaches that mental illness is the result of sinning. This suicide occured in 1
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QuoteMark ScheidererThanks bjw! I thought Johnson might be a ghost writer since I saw a web posting to links to some of his messages which were the same topics MacA ( or was it?) covered in "The Truth War". That's the only MacA book I've ever read and what I did NOT understand was why he had a chapter on "Lordship Salvation". It didn't fit in with the topic of
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Here's a picture of MacArthur's top execs Sharon Staats and Mark Tatlock showing off the new two-story museum they built to honor MacArthur that is now finally open. (the computer rendering was sent to me on a postcard that I mentioned earlier in this thread): http://www.the-signal.com/archives/64011/ It's shameful someone responsible for ruining this many lives gets a museu
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QuoteMark ScheidererIs there any evidence that MacA uses ghost writers ? Actually, one person that worked for the cult told me once that a few of the books had ghost writers, that they were basically compiled from MacArthur's notes and arranged into a book. I heard that Phil Johnson and Sharon Staats were sometimes used as ghost writers on a few of the books. I don't know how much of
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Quotegracetowho? Hello, I have tried to contact any one on this site to expose the tactics, but not sure I am doing it correctly. But what the Master MC-A College student said about them infiltrating churches was EXACTLY what we experienced. 1. They say they are non-denom. All doctrine statements are completely neutral. 2. once you are there, they try to indoctrinate you with Calvinism on
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Mark and Gracetowho bring up some interesting points here. Just to contribute a few things based on my experience: MacArthur isn't the only church executive in the cult that has experience with Bob Jones University. In fact, BJU was repeatedly criticized by MacArthur's execs as what "not to do" in an organization. So, their opinion of that college is not favorable, even
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QuoteBeshrewdI am certainly sorry that you had such a bad experience with this church! God certainly will use this experience for your good... I am not familiar with that church, but I'll certainly relay this thread to friends who have some interest in attending there. BJW, I understand you have very justified opinions about your experiences with Grace, but this person was asking abou
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Okay, back on topic... For those of you researching this group I decided to find a few useful links just so you can see what MacArthur has on his website for public consumption. Please keep in mind that this is only a small portion of what MacArthur actually believes and that it is actually much stricter than this once you are on campus or become a member. Also, remember this is a cult-owned
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