Don't think anyone was asking about the legality of private homes - whatever that means. Did the people that lived next door in Fidra which was owned by the church participate in meals and chores rotas in the private house Cedars? Is Rensil correct that the church leaders took a great deal of interest in who could and couldn't live in both houses? Was there inappropriate contro
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Hi escapedtofrance That is indeed a very good article re Struthers. The 5 signs something is wrong are: The Pastor/Leader is Always Right Deception Exclusivism Fear and Intimidation No Accountability For Leadership On point 1 the writing is very relevant: There is no tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. If you disagree with church leadership, then you are told it is yo
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Entirely right Petitor There is now admitted by Struthers a letter from OSCR that is both claimed to be minor issues and damaging to the charity if published. (If Cherrylizard is correct) If that is acceptable to their contributors, given the pain and hurt shared by people on this forum, it is getting harder to feel any sympathy for those that still give money to maintain this destructive
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Cherrylizard Once again you tell me what I really want. Wrong once again. Read my last post and I was very clear. You accused me of lying because I said there was another document not part of the final OSCR report. I said I had seen a letter saying that the detailed letter existed. Struthers have now confirmed there is another letter as an outcome of the OSCR review. Did I miss your apo
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It is strange how agitated this seems to be making you. And meanwhile the Struthers leadership are not coming on to this forum - as they easily could - to publicly challenge the claim. Chris Jewell, the well paid church administrator, could sign onto the forum and make a clear statement OSCR did not give them a letter with a “very detailed set of recommendations” and that OSCR required no chang
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Yes there is.
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Hi lizard I could not agree more with your assessment of what the SMC members are hearing. No doubt they are being told that all is well and to be of good cheer. When attending many of us were fed similar tidings of joy when they were not warranted by any facts. But the general public (as you call them) seem to be taking a different view and avoiding Struthers like the plague, or going to wedd
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Hi Cheerylizard Just not sure what you mean by "exonerate". Having read the report, and some of the covering letters OSCR have issued, Struthers Memorial Church have not been exonerated. I would agree that OSCR have not acted to shut them down as a charity but that was never likely. OSCR have never shut down an active charity with income. Nor was that what many of us thoug
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Since we were disappointed when the data was lost it is only right to thank the culteducation organisation for recovering all the lost posts and placing them back on here. For reference on this discussion the 2 years of recovered material has been inserted back in its original date order and appears up to page 111. It was just after the Bingowings discussion and contributions from someone I ha
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Hi Truthseeker9001, And thank you for your latest post which is very informative. It would not be surprsing at all if the leadership were saying to the gullible in their congregation that the long time OSCR were taking in their investigations was a reason to celebrate. As we know - It is not. It signifies how uniquely bad things are in Struthers Memorial Church. Many, many, many peop
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As you can see from this link the list of organisations the Scottish Charity Regulator is investigating is getting much shorter so a decision and report on Struthers Memorial Church must be due soon. We still wait to see what the regulator makes of it as a charity and what it decides to make them do to address the huge number of serious concerns people have raised. In the meantime so
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Clive You have consistently criticised other posters on this forum, denegrated the value of other websites discussing Struthers, claimed you have superior insight because you are an atheist, and even once claimed you have more worthwhile insight on the basis that you are not female. Now you are not only criticising the Moderator but asking him to give you banned posts so you can presumably
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QuotebingowingsHappy Survivor: what are these "insane rules and regulations"? I've presumably been at the same meetings as you and I don't recall them being handed down. Are you just making stuff up? Again, exact quotes please and I will go away and check who said what Hi Bingowings Just to be clear Are you saying that if Happy Survivor, or other people on this forum,
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Thanks for that great post Covlass I am in full agreement. QuoteCovLass The funny thing is I am fully expecting Struthers leaders to proclaim that this is the "vindication of the Lord." They could indeed and then look like fools very soon after when OSCR oblige the Struthers charity to live up to its committments and deal with these same concerns and address the embarrasment it ha
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This is not a solution and hopefully the RickRoss people will come up with that. There is however a website called the Wayback Engine which is trying to archive the whole web Fortunately for us it archived this Struthers discussion thread in January 2013 at 82 pages and 816 posts. Not getting us back to where we were at 1100 posts but it does mean people can still read online all the co
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Hi Moderator I want to say that the fact that we have been able to have this discussion on this forum has been a very positive and important thing for many of those involved and we appreciate he fact that the RickRoss organisation has enabled that to happen 2 years of the message board records on the discussion about Struthers Memorial Church is 800 posts by about 30 different people. As yo
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QuoteWistongirl I found a great, experienced psychologist - 2 feet on the ground - who really helped me get things in perspective. In fact sometimes I wondered why I was paying her as it was me that was finding the solutions & reasons. She was very skilled at leading me to find the answers and I realised (just as I was walking today in fact) that she was discretly teaching me accountabi
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Hi Wistongirl And thanks for saying hello and sharing so many 70s and 80s memories here. You will have noticed there is a receptive audience here from that era. As we have said a few times we do all seem to know each other probably because Struthers was never all that big. We have also said before some of us have been able to meet up in groups where the geography permits to catch up about o
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Quotelintar123 I may come across as cynical. I will never understand nor accept any of our Struthers experience.(see previous posts). However, why are people putting up with it all? Are they still too scared or embroiled or under the influence to speak up? I do hope people from OSCR read this forum . The truth will triumph in the end. Why are all you Struthers people too scared to stand up fo
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Hi again Clive Sorry to hear you have a hunch. Sorry to hear that atheists haven't yet conquered sexism. Yet I don't think it would be rational for us to ignore the reality of the situation on that basis. We very much have correspondence from OSCR. The Struthers directors are being asked to answer the points we have discussed on this forum and raised with them. OSCR will
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It strikes me again Clive you have not been paying attention. You claim your Facebook page idea (which many rejected the last time you proposed it) "is a step inti the light that they will find harder to ignore". Many of us have said very clearly on this forum that we have sat face to face in front of the leadership of Struthers and put these points to them face to face.
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What constitutes appropriate roughness towards a child is something many people and cultures and eras have different views on and whether the latest ideas our society has on that are enlightened thinking or PC gone mad may be an interesting debate. Yet whatever we debate and agree about society Struthers can choose to ignore. But there is an aspect of this issue they cannot ignore. The mas
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QuoteThePetitor Like others, I welcome the current review, but I think OSCR will have their work cut out on this one. Let’s say for example that they recommend that Struthers should look into a particular complaint. I can see them setting up a panel to do that and interviewing people. Let’s say for example the complaint is against Diana and there are two witnesses X and Y. They set up a pan
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There are a few things going on that people who have been following this forum might be interested in. The Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator published their next phase of schools due to be inspected to ensure they provide sufficient public benefit and, suddenly, Struthers Memorial Church is right at the front of the list. This is possibly because they are very likely the only school/or
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Hi Squareone I also think you are asking a perfectly proper and reasonable question. The church have claimed that they lease the ipads and that they belong to the school. The lease was organised by the school IT teacher. They are made available for the pupils to use but remain the property of the school. The pupils hand them back at the end of the school year. I think you also made ano
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Couldn't agree with you more Rensil. You have provided an answer for Clive and he has repeatedly claimed to dislike the Latigo articles. Not then our job to solve that problem for him especially when it is not remotely clear what he is even asking for. Clive, I would recommend Kelvin's comment – go and ask the Struthers people if you want to get information about their finances. And goo
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Clive I think you are making a mistake in your interpretation of what is happening at the moment on the forum. The moderator is capable of identifying and warning us about flaming and inappropriately personal attacks in posts. He seems to have taken the view that only Kelvin has been in breach of the rules. Likewise Kelvin has not complained about being "set upon by a pack" of anythi
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Kelvin Please stop referring to "vague wild claims" on this forum unless you are prepared to say what specific claims you dismiss as wild and who made them? You appear to be attempting to imply some, or many, of the stories people have shared here are not true or are lies by implying that this forum contains nothing but vague wild claims. Tell us what you are talking about or st
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Quotekelvin@Chesterk55 Your suggestion is an interesting one. I think the complaints/allegations people on this forum do make ought to be put to OSCR and the detail of the complaint posted here also, with any answer you receive. The question is, when OSCR allows SMC to retain their charitable status will you accept that they have been cleared of any financial impropriety or will it be business as
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The forum might be interested to know that Struthers Memorial Church are soon to have their charitable status reviewed by the Office of the Scottish Charity Regulator. As they run a private school they are on a list of the next few charities being visited and inspected by OSCR during the next 12 months to ensure that they meet the legally required tests of charitable status. A link to the
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