brokenbutstanding Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have never received any notifications concerning > new entries on this page so I assumed no one was > writing anymore!It happened quite by > chance,God-guided, I found a page called Watchman > wakes in Vain and I recognized some stories and > saw my own story summarized in one line! But t
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I just wanted to say that the website "Watchman wakes in vain" that was mentioned by Bookwatch has a lot of good info that is surprising at first, but has been well -researched and cannot be ignored. Oh, and before anyone accuses me of being a shill, I do not know the people who compose this website nor have I had anything to do with putting it online. I have only had brief email corr
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brokenbutstanding Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When anyone here is ready to get the info web page > out please remember me. In Italy JMac is growing. > He has opened an "academy" in Sicily where my > father's old church used to be. This means more > and more people are being brain-washed. I am > particularly concerned ab
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brokenbutstanding Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > When anyone here is ready to get the info web page > out please remember me. In Italy JMac is growing. > He has opened an "academy" in Sicily where my > father's old church used to be. This means more > and more people are being brain-washed. I am > particularly concerned ab
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Bookwatch brings up some good points. First of all, the watchman website has a lot of good info and it shows how the cult hides behind Christianity, the very conspiracies they rail against they are in the background perpetrating. Ecumenicism, occultism, nepotism, etc are all things they preach against in the setup literature, but once hooked you are apart of what was originally being preached ag
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I wanted to post an email I received from the cult today that has some very questionable info in it that I was wondering if anyone could verify. They say they are one of the top 10 Christian colleges in California, but the problem is there aren't that many colleges MacArthur would consider Christian once you eliminate the Catholic colleges and seminaries. They are 1 of 19 colleges os dis
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I am glad to see the messages have been restored (no pun intended). There's many on here beside me that either were in longer or out more recently, some having families being broken up and are still having problems. We need all the help we can get, and if anyone wants to help get a site going please let me know. Is anyone still on here, and can help get the discussion going again? As long
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Some posts were wiped out when the website changed servers, so for the benefit of the new people coming on here I will try to repost some of the online documentation that was previously on here: Here is the New York Times Article about the 1985 Nouthetic Counseling suicide: http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/20/us/church-sued-over-a-suicide-says-it-will-change-training.html Here is MacArthur&#
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kyonsenkoku Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > they send young students into dangerous places to > preach? wow, are there some doucuments or at least > stories you ahve of that happening? Yes. This is a standard practice of the cult. They have two missions breaks per year where they send students on missions trips. Some go to third world countries and
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I'm looking for more ex-members that would be willing to maybe startup a blog or website devoted to exposing this cult. If you are interested please respond, maybe send me a PM. If there are a lot of people involved it will be much harder for the cult to retaliate. Some things people need to be informed about: The suicides The museum he built to himself The false claim it is "non-
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Are the mods still planning to restore the posts, or are they gone for good? I'm considering starting my own site, as there needs to be something out there to warn people about the dangers of this group. I had the links posted on here about the museum and the suicide and I hope that they get the posts restored. If not, I think a blog with a summary of the info so people have easy access t
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The worldliness displayed in these videos should show that there is not much of a stretch to the worldly behavior described elsewhere in this thread. I think this should help substantiate what we have been saying. I had some students get physical with me at times. I can tell many more stories that would make these videos seem tame. They can put on a veneer of Christianity, but it is impossibl
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QuotewaldensNLDear all, I have read the whole discussion. As an addition to it I would like to ask you all whether the following articles present the life of the Master's college in a fair way ? And whether this is the youth that is under counselling ? Are these exceptions or is this a general view of what is going on at Master's college ? Are there perhaps two groups at Mast
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QuoteteacherHI BJW, as you know I am not often on but am always working in the same direction. I have been asked to tell my story for publication online but up till now haven't done so simply because one must not rush anything. That is exactly the point with the Mac Arthurists - I must acknowledge their patience in making the moves. That is what I have noticed in these years although of cou
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So, am I to understand that the whole forum, just as we have it right now, will be available on the new blog site? Also, to those of you that have been posting on this thread, I'd like to know your opinion of the package I received that I mentioned in my previous post. I hope we can keep this discussion going. It has a lot of good helpful information and I know I wish I had these things
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I got a a package in the mail from the cult, as I am still on their mailing list. This time, it has an attractive folder with the museum on the front (the college's Rutherford Hall converted into the "Legacy Room and Welcome Center" as discussed earlier in the thread). The package on the inside contains a letter from MacArthur, a pictorial with 3 alumni on it, and a CD with a ser
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Grace to Who did a good job showing the intro material that is given on the Restoration Process as well as how it is once you are a part of this sham. The interesting thing about the scriptures they use is that they are always somehow taken out of context from the passages they are part of. For instance, Matthew 18:15-20 does nothing to explain the context around which this passage is taken, wh
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Since I am still on their mailing list, I received a copy of the cult's alumni magazine, The Master's Current, this week. I was shocked at all the expansion they are doing and how much they are growing, and I think it shows the urgency of the need to let people know what they really stand for so they can be 'informed consumers.' A few things in the magazine bothered me. O
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QuotemhbmI've never really thought of her as a perfectionist, but he is an extremely cautious, distrustful person.In enforcing the list, you have to keep "growing," constantly getting better and better, or you aren't saved. Some mentors/counselors enforce the list in different ways. I have seen some that won't listen to rock music (I was told I was going to hell for t
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QuotemhbmHi all, I have a question for you. It is difficult for me to tell how much of what is happening with my daughter and son-in-law is from GCC teaching or things they have dreamed up themselves, so I thought I would ask you. They are now choosing to not celebrate holidays. Has anyone seen any of this type of thing with GCC or MacArthur followers? Thanks. It's been since the late 90
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What gtw described is pretty accurate. Also, Mark, thanks for the info. It's good to know that any contract can be obtained. That's at least one good thing on the member's side, no matter which way the courts decide to rule on this law.
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QuoteMark ScheidererGTW - What court case are you talking about? Mark Mark: The Church of Scientology is being sued by a parishoner for being abused while a part of the Sea Org. A side court case has resulted from this because they are wanting to bring confessional folders of people from CoS into the case. The court is being asked to rule on the "Priest/Penitant" Law that curre
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QuotemhbmI know what you mean about not being able to talk to them. My daughter just argues, as if arguing would attract someone to want to become like them or embrace their Christianity. She and her husband have been "working on" another couple who are unsaved, and this couple gets upset about being preached to whenever they are with them. The thought occurred to me that my daughter
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QuoteMark ScheidererBJW - Why does MacA have to "MacArthurize" everything? IMO, and the opinion of others I've talked to, it's like he sees himself as separate from the rest of us sinners and he has the ability to come up with his own version of the Gospels! The NO-thetic Counselling oversteps it's bounds. It's almost like the counselors are human "Holy Spi
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I'd still like to see a discussion of MacArthur's new book (as mentioned in my previous post.) However, I found this article today about Scientology involving a current court case. This ruling may also affect MacArthur's Lordship cult since Scientology's practice of "sec checking" is very similar to the practice of confession practiced in Nouthetic Counseling, an
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The Gospel According to MacArthur! I just got a letter from the cult in the mail that contained a form letter signed by MacArthur along with an envelope for sending donations. The letter had the usual lies about how the college is affordable (if you call $20,000 affordable), that without the donations of the members the students couldn't be educated (what do they do with the 20 grand then?
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Just to give a quick recap...I know that we've been discussing the theological irregularities of this group in the past few pages of this thread (I know, its partly my fault.) However, I would like to give a quick recap just in case someone stumbles onto this thread and they haven't been following the discussion. I posted on here back in 05 in the "New Movements/Sects" for
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gtw's post is a good example of how they dazzle people with all the big words and fance terrminology. After all, how can they be wrong if they have all this knowledge? This is part of the hook that keeps people in.
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QuoteMark ScheidererUsed to go to a church pastored by a Calvinist, and left because EVERY sermon started sounding the same. Talked to someone else who left after they confronted the pastor about babies who die and whether or not they were "predestined" to go to either heaven or hell from birth. The pastor said yes, and the person left. If you follow the illogical conclusions of Ca
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Quotegracetowho?Lassotheglen, You have an excellent grasp at what is going on in Christendom, They. Are. Taking. Over! They have a plan and are executing it all over the world. The last two churches I attended said they were Non denominational, in their doctrinal statements and even membership Classes, Then, when it comes out you are not a Calvinist ( Reformed) and do not admire and l
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