Add this to the LEC form quoted above. What were to happen if the person going through this had not been doing the LGAT at home but had been doing it through another group...and in Europe? The person who reported this horrifying outcome was a social worker. Please read the posts on that thread. Serious stuff. Landmark and Psychosis...Let us not Forget Quote In the winter of 19
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Note: here is way to tell the difference in India between the wealthy man and the poor man. Wealthy men are not the ones selling off their kidneys to raise money for their families. And daughters from wealthy families in India are very much much less likely than daughters from poor families to be sold into prostitution. There's a difference, folks. I dont know if Melville said it
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Solea wrote: QuoteIs that the kind of emotionally disconnected life that people really want to live? The answer may be yes. Look at the popularity of iPods. (I call 'em 'ear worms'). Great way to split off and dissociate from one's surroudings. On a more serious note, if you can, try and get a copy of Arthur Koestler's book, The Lotus and the Robot. Around 19
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Dear Solea: here is the link, from Google group alt.fan.landmark for "NOTICE OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND HEALTH WARNINGS" ; Note: despite the contents of this form, one RR.com correspondant told us a very distressing situation that involved her husband, who according to this correspondant, has one of the medical conditions LEC mentions on its form as being good reason NOT to
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Un Reciprocated Loyalty--a case study Here is a way to investigate this. Someone on one of the Google listserves posted a copy of Landmark's form entitled "NOTICE OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND HEALTH WARNINGS" the full copy can be read here: ; A very promising way to determine if something might be an LGAT is to get copies of their disclaimer forms and compare
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QuoteThe Anticult:So when someone openly declares what an amazingly spiritual consciousness they have and how Eckhart Tolle has taught them how to live in the moment If you have to say 'I am a spiritual person' that calls into question whether this is true. If you have to say 'I am a loving person' or 'I am compassionate' -- this calls into question whether you
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This URL might be worth looking at. One area of concern voiced by parents was that the ideological/religious element underlying Waldorf was downplayed and they wished that W school people had been forthcoming with information about the contents of the Steiner belief sytem and how it is applies in W schools, before the parents had selected W school. Its a tough situation because by the
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Here is a way to investigate this. Someone on one of the Google listserves posted a copy of Landmark's form entitled "NOTICE OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND HEALTH WARNINGS" the full copy can be read here: ; A very promising way to determine if something might be an LGAT is to get copies of their disclaimer forms and compare them with this one. If someone refuses t
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Must alert you that Craig takes no prisoners. Do not read if you shock easily. One of the chapters in the book is entitled, 'You Will Never Eat Ass in This Town Again'. Google him and 'Why the Long Face?'and you'll find some articles. BTW, if you want a case study of an artist and manager who respected his employees and clientele, find a copy of Paris in the Fift
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Have a look at this article from Esquire 'I Think You're Fat' by A.J. Jacobs (AJ wrote a book, 'The Year of Living Biblically'--funny and very informative. As part of it, he sought to avoid lying.) (tiny excerpt from a 5 page online article) Quote." If you mixed DNA from Lyndon Johnson, Ken Kesey, and threw in the nonannoying parts of Dr. Phil, you migh
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Dear JB, for a book that is both screamingly funny and very informative, get and read 'Why The Long Face?' by actor Craig Chester. One thing Chester tells us is that for an actor, the hardest thing when dealing with painful comments is distinguishing when this is information one needs to face in order to improve one's craft, versus when it is just projected bullshit. If on
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Troll Count as of September 8th 2008 Daphne, Anticultist, ralpher, Randomstu, prsp (or something like that) Ex Scientology Kid, cultcity and Idunno. As in people who really invested serious effort on the BK thread. And..Idunno wanted us to treat him or her as an individual. That reads strangely from someone who adores a leader who processes everyone through the same method and doesn
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Curative reality is different from curative fantasy. Curative reality speaks for itself. Curative fantasy needs to be propped up and validated. The more of a difference between curative fantasy and reality, the more validation it demands and the less tolerance for dissent or doubt. I came down with double pneumonia following influenza. After five days and nights of chills and fever
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Regarding Ornstein's curative fantasy, there is a paper I am itching to get my hands on. Another author has taken Ornstein's concept of 'curative fantasy and developed that concept further--by inviting psychotherapists to enhance their own self insight (self-supervision) by examining their own curative fantasies. The spotlight is turned upon the powerholder in this exchange.
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Playing Scrabble--a Possible Tool For Researchers Some time back I read a book about Madame Blavatsky and her Theosophy system and its social history-- Madame Blavatsky's Baboon, by Peter Washington. When Michael Jones mentioned 'Kut-Hu-Mi' I sat up, and thought that name sounded familiar,sounded like something from Blavatsky's system. A Google search revealed tha
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. I never deluded myself into thinking she had a cure for my depression. In my mind's eye she had a system of simply inquiring into stressful thoughts. I never blindly adopted BK's points of view as gospel and absolute truth. Well, you're very invested in defending BK here. (Yawn)
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For someone who signs off as 'Idunno' you seem very, very sure of matters. Ive noticed that the names chosen by BK protagonists are interesting--designed to elicit pathos or throw readers off balance. And telling us we need to address our own' illogic' is just another way to pathologize those who disagree. BKistas constantly pathologize those who disagree. Take a ver
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This thread is for persons interested in recovery. Jupiter was here because she was interested in recovery. Readers are invited to do an author search on RR.com for 'Jupiter' and 'all dates' and observe for themselves how she was treated by Bronte G. If someone is happy and fulfilled in Subud, G work or whatever, there are plenty of venues where this contentment can
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Dear Nancy, if you do a search of the message board you should be able to find a number of other posts with information. Involvement in G groups can go back for generations. A thoughtful person named Jupiter described what it was like to grow up in a Gurdjieff type group that was tied to J Bennett and did a sub practice called Subud. If you do an author search and 'all dates' you
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For further research, here is a URL from alt.fan.landmark, posted to that listserve in mid-July of this year. ;
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Putting the "Harvard Study" In Perspective From the Boston Globe: Quote A Harvard Forum For Self-Promotion? Boston Globe/November 6, 1998 By Alex Beam QuoteThe Forum, formally known as the Landmark Education Corp., has enjoyed considerable success with the self-actualization crowd, and with the Cambridge intelligentsia. That success is now chronicled in an HBS case s
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Things to Make and Do Go to the search button on the upper right corner of the message board window. Open it and go to the 'author search' slot. Put 'Elaine' into the author search slot and select 'all forums' and 'all dates.' There are just 5 posts by Elaine, making this quite manageable. Read them, starting from the earliest to the most
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If anyone has copies of paperwork, post 'em with your names blacked out. Rick already has a Hall of Flames. We could have a Hall of Trophy Letters or something.
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Getting a lawyer doesnt necessarily mean you're obligated to sue your husband's employer. Get a lawyer so you can have an intermediary through which you can handle all communication and protect yourself from stress. A lawyer, using his or her firm's stationary, can make formal requests to obtain any paperwork your husband left behind at the company, and if need be, supoena it
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LGATs want to AVOID anything about them becoming public record. That is why it is so very important to find yourself a lawyer--NOW. Because, lawyers can file motions so that stuff eventually does become public record. But that can only happen if filing deadlines are met. You dont want to miss filing deadlines in this potential case, so that is why you should talk to a lawyer NOW. (The
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DISCLAIMER I am a non professional, and am not a legal professional in any capacity. Ive sat on two juries in civil cases. That's how I learned about filing deadlines. Go to a lawyer and have the stress reduction of having a professional represent you and your husband. PS 'Elena' (signs herself 'Ellen') is a long time member of the RR.com message board co
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Dear M: If there are forms and important paperwork in your husbands desk or in his computer at the office and he was not able to take them with him when he left, DO NOT GO TO THE OFFICE TO PICK THEM UP. Dont make any phone calls or write any letters to request that paperwork. Have an attorney send someone. List that paperwork so that if necessary the lawyer can formally request it.
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Dear M: Get a lawyer so that you can route all communication through that person and do it NOW, especially if your husbands former boss is trying to get you talk to him, or talk to some 'mediator.' QuoteElaine wrote:I would definitely take up the issue with the employer before I pursue force (e.g. the court system). There's nothing that can not be resolved through communicat
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Dear Make up, you may have been unable to find your thread because a lot of people made new posts yesterday on other threads, so your thread probably was bumped further down. If you scroll downwards on your screen you should be able to find it. Here is your thread from yesterday If you are pondering legal action, please please find out the filing deadline, because if it passes, you wil
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If we lived in a sane society, sleep would be recognized as an essential nutrient, not dismissed as a dispensible luxury. Here is a thread with some links that discuss the importance of sleep. This article was written for the benefit of families who have a member with attention deficit disorder. But there is so much overlap with bipolar that others might find this useful too.
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