Bakkagirl wrote: "Dealing with this violation of trust may seem more painful to the victim, than severing ties with the abuser(s)." And scary, because then one would be waiting for the other shoe to drop. Or wondering what else they've got up their sleeves. It may be bad with the abuser, but how much worse might it get when one leaves? I know i was at that stage. It's an
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I wrote: "By the time i realized what was going on, they were so deep into my personal life that I wanted to know: What do they want? What else have they done? I spent a lot of time trying to assess the damage. All that accomplished was to allow them to do even more of it. I felt as if I had been psychologically impaled. I felt paralyzed. There is no way to repair that kind of dama
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StopLGATs wrote: "But violence is most likely just the tip of the iceberg of domestic abuse. I'm sure there are countless more relationships where physical violence is not a factor but nevertheless there is a strong psychological imprisonment/enslavement..." Physical violence is just the tip of the iceberg. I wish that I could cite, but I have read several recent articles s
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I find these two paragraphs especially alarming. If they might once have seemed theoretical, I know that they are real, because I saw this exact process in a former friend, (my recruiter), during her participation in the ILP. (From the same link as before): " 7) The Gluttons for Punishment. If the level six member is not only dedicated and uncomplaining, but willing to imitate h
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I found this fascinating. It was posted on another thread: And this link was within it, describing the levels of cult indoctrination, and the power structure!: A brief excerpt: "The Seekers are just looking for something to make their lives worthwhile. The Samplers are looking for a freeway to "The Answer." The New Recruits are looking for a drill sergeant
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So in a way, it boils down to this: "New Age" was the easiest religion to co-opt. It was not established, and lacked authority figures by nature. So some phuck-tards grabbed the reigns, turned it sideways, and installed "authority figures." Most people were not raised "New Age," but were raised in more traditional religions, or none at all. As a result, unlike
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Bakkagirl wrote: "What you report is VERY interesting. It 'sounds' like Landmark, via the 'recruiter' had designated New Age groups as a fertile ground for recruitment, and that your recruiter was using group dynamics to coerce participation in Landmark. May I just say that, that bor(d)ers on EVIL." Yes, to the second part, at least. She was definitely usi
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Indeed! I agree that there are some places and situations where authority is needed. I just didn't see a need for it in my spiritual life. In the business world, corporations do need a chain of command, with policies and rules. Societies could not function without laws. On the flip side, very few adults need authority figures in their personal lives, (with the exception of a few general
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Bakkagirl, Yes, you are right! I started seeing more and more "Landmark think" in the New Age community at large. It probably also works its way into certain churches, and we already know that they recruit sometimes from 12-step groups. "New Age" is especially susceptible, I think, because there are no authority figures and no hierarchy, so they don't really h
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Bakkagirl , I do appreciate what you are saying, - that it is held over your head that if you don't attend, you won't receive work. Also, that when you ask questions about the program itself, answers are vague to nonexistent. The course description is just as vague in the private sector. Nobody knows what they are buying. To have that held over your head at work threatens your ve
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Since most people are known by their recruiters, the recruiter usually has some knowledge of their personal life. They zero in on your Achilles heel, and apply leverage accordingly. Some examples might be: "Well, i guess you really aren't very committed to saving your marriage. " or "I guess you don't really want that promotion as badly as you say you do.&qu
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Bakkagirl wrote: "That these participants are asked to sign waivers, and NDA's is a big RED FLAG. I always figure that what people do with their own time, well, it is caveat emptor, ..." I definitely see your point here, but keep in mind that there's no small amount of arm-twisting going on in ordinary, non-work related recruiting, either. Both in the forum, and i
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Yes - it's like offering herb tea, and then surreptitiously slipping in some substance to perform a chemical lobotomy.
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StopLGATs wrote: "A dental hygienist isn't allowed to treat athlete's foot, a homeopathist can't test your eyesight for prescription glasses. A neurologist can't remove your appendix. All of these need different qualification and licences. However it seems anyone is allowed to tinker inside peoples' minds, drag up repressed childhood traumas, etc regardless of any
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StopLGATs wrote: "Really I think there's probably not a lot of difference from the same type of crowd manipulation that had thousands of people raising their hands and chanting "Sieg Heil" at Nuremburg. Or the two minute hate from Orwell's 1984 (chants of "Goldstein! Traitor!" followed glazed-eye admiration at the image of Big Brother)." Yes, even tho
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StopLGATs wrote: "And for emphasis I'll say again the conversations are about who could be persuaded to do it. Not about who might find it helpful (and in what way) with any specific challenges in their life." Yes. They have a quota, especially anyone who is in the ILP. I was in the "Assisting Program," (office work), and they had people sitting at phone banks cal
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Bakka, I think you can add "politicians" under #2, and apparently Raniere did that successfully. Then that could have something to do with #6.
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Where to begin? I had met my recruiter in a 12-step group, a couple of years before she did Landmark. These were the changes I noticed in her: She went from being an honest person to being someone who would lie without batting an eye. She also became manipulative and conniving. She also went through a divorce - her husband had taken the forum, and she felt that he was not applying Landm
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Bakka wrote: "... (BTW, Jeffrey Epstein was in the quote, unquote leadership development business, and via the Wexner Foundation), and the Esalen, Erhard/est, LGAT crowd of days of yore." Do you think we can link Epstein to Erhard/est/Landmark? That would be epic!
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Batter Up!!! LOL I can relate to that feeling, and so can many, (wouldn't we love to). That's just the problem, though. They drive people to that point, and then they call the police, who find the participant apoplectic, and see what appears to be a calm and seemingly in control Lekkie. Even talking about what was done to us can make us look crazy, and they know that. In fact, I
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I can give a hypothetical example. Going back to the waiver form on this thread: "I hereby indemnify and hold Landmark Education, its officers, managers, shareholders, affiliates, employees, agents and/or people who assist, harmless from all loss, cost, obligation or damage arising out of my participation in the Programme or in other activities or events related to the Programme.&quo
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Bakkagirl wrote: "With regard to the technologies and messages, I am wondering, specifically, whether the est/Landmark/Tony Robbins message related to 'victimhood', i.e. there are no victims (childhood sexual abuse, political terrorism, Acts of God), may translate in certain minds to "there are no crimes", or that crimes of a sexual or other nature (financial) can be r
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Bakkagirl wrote; "...disser-mercial" ROFL!!! Maybe his professors are also victims, or maybe he was trying to recruit them. . What I see in this is that one of the main goals of cults is to turn their members into "deployable agents," according to literature on the matter. He obviously is one, and will devote an insane amount of time to defending this organization.
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"Evangelical" in the heavy recruiting, ("converting") and in their belief that only they can save the world. I definitely see your point about, "This is a brain on Landmark." He seems hopelessly brainwashed. To me, it looks like 500 pages of Landmark propoganda, (or the whole "Forum," point-by-point, with arguments to sell people on the idea that it
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StopLGATs wrote: "Along with spreading the word about these blatant abuses of copyright law intended to avoid open scrutiny of sleazy business practices." Agreed. I would assert that they also abuse copyright, "trade secrets" and non-disclosure agreements to evade open scrutiny of their abuse of particpants. I don't believe for one minute that any of these would sta
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I'm reading it, Bakka, but what a tome! This is going to take awhile. If you would have said "environmental directive," I may have an inkling of what you are talking about, (though i haven't gotten to that yet). There is physical pollution, then there are psychologically "toxic" environments. I have heard many people speak of that, including my Landmark recruiter
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Attempts??? I think it possible that all that repetition made him what he is today!
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Peter Andrew Nolan You said that you were famous, so I googled that. Is this you? Are these your public tweets? I can see that Landmark has done wonders for you! I rest my case.
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Peter Andrew Nolan Do you deny anything that's in that video? There is a whole thread here dedicated to Landmark's Health Warnings alone, but it really goes over the entire consent form that they have you sign. You can find it by typing "Landmark Health Warnings" into the search bar, (and be sure to select "All Dates"). Though there are plenty of valid critic
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Thank you, StopLGATs!!! I clicked on your video, and BINGO!!! There it is, right at the 15:00 mark! Their waiver form is worthless! Legally, they don't have a leg to stand on. Granted, this was in France, but commonsense would lead me to believe that the same would be true in the U.S. I know that U.S. law recognizes Unconscionable Contracts. From a legal standpoint, i think people c
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