Hi guys, just to be clear, these cults cannot contact Google to get a ranking by Google changed. Google will not do that. Google will not even remove or change sites which are antisemitic and racist, unless they are forced to by a judge. When the sites "drop" in the Google ranking that is due usually to the posting frequency dropping in the thread. If you want the thread higher, you
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Quotekath ... I mean that if you search for individual groups under their individual names, some of them have removed the google listing of threads about them on this forum. Hey Kath, they can't do that, unless there was a big lawsuit. Most likely they have just dropped in the rankings. If you can give a specific example, I will look into it, to see if a thread from this forum is there.
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Someone could repost that Landmark phone answering video on Google video, or anywhere else, as there is no "copyright" and it was put into the Public Domain when they put it on YouTube. Well, I guess Landmark did NOT put that video up on YouTube to show that they weren't some weird white-collar cult... Now that they ordered to take it down, it looks like they ARE a weird white-
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Quotesonnie_deeQuote What is scary is that not only is the big portion of work done by volunteers, the paid office staff often work 12 - 14 hour days six days a week usually at the minimum wage or under the minimum wage if you go by the fact that the wage is done on a 40 hour week! If people have been "pushed" into that by Landmark, and you have some evidence of it, Landmark can get
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Its clear that Li Hongzhi is a con-artist, as he claims to have "supernatural powers" and yet offers no proof whatsoever of this. but here is the faked picture of him pretending to levitate...(when someone fakes pics of themselves levitating, that's not a good sign...) :wink: http://www.nodulo.org/ec/2003/img/n016p25.jpg Here are a couple more classic cult leader styl
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The Vancouver Landmark office is not a member of the Canadian BBB, according to their website.
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If you search "Pagan association" cult it comes up #7 on Google! but if you search...withouth the " " Pagan association cult then it gets lost, as the words are too common.
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Here is the Pagan Association thread. The last time Google indexed it was March 2006. To promote a thread, put LINKS to the thread in permanent sites all over the internet. Dozens of them, from blogs, and other HIGH-TRAFFIC IMPORTANT sites, comment areas on big websites, etc. It might help a bit if some people entered the link below into Google again, with lots of keywords. It migh
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Kath, we would have to try and look at specific examples. Google search is run by robots, and people can't block Google from indexing OTHER people's sites. But what happens is that the Google robot has a couple hundred raking criteria. Sometimes a forum posting site like this is at the top for while. Then once the posting frequency drops off, the site drops down the Google ranking.
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That video was added on November 08, 2006, which was a day or two after Landmark launched their dishonest media propaganda campaign claiming they were not suppressing free speech. So its possible they told her to put that little joke video up on the web, to try and show that Landmark "has nothing to hide". But notice how that video reveals nothing and no one, except the kid with th
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You can see just below that part of the Wiki entry, the Landmark representatives have made entries saying how they are "training" those folks to be Leaders, and lots of other lies along those lines. If there are people who actually did that "unpaid labor" for Landmark, you could probably file a complaint with the Dept of Labor. I think what will bring Landmark down are
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Of course, the most serious problem with Landmark is not the junk-philosophy cobbled together by Werner Erhard. Its just a bunch of junk he picked up over the years. The real problem is with the pathological ORGANIZATION which is designed to exploit and use people. The way Werner Erhard set up the Landmark Forum makes it automatically weed-out people who are not willing to be utterly compliant
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(there is a terrific graphic from the above mentioned site!) http://www.win.tue.nl/%7Eaeb/secul/landmark/iwantyou.jpg WARNING: Survivors of Sexual Abuse Could Be Easy Targets - Landmark Forum
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all serious comments aside, I found that Lizard baby-eating stuff to be extremely disturbing. The guy I knew who was into Icke, believed that George Bush II was a Lizard, and literally was not human! He also believed if you watched videos of Bush, you could see him "flash" for a micro-second into a Lizard, as he wasn't eating enough babies, I think. I also recall reading that th
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(here is a general overview with some David Icke thrown in). Illuminati, The New World Order & Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs)
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One of the ways out of the cult and LGAT mental traps, is to practice very precise and careful "reality testing". That is using the mental tools of Critical Thinking, skeptical analysis, and the scientific method. That means taking any "theory" and subjecting it to the most rigorous factual analysis avaliable. That is an entire study in itself. When one looks at David Icke
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QuoteON2 LFI was checking out the cayman islands for any mentions of landmark, since the founder and leader hides there...came up with an old article from april/2006. www.caymannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000008/000871.htm Art Schreiber is obviously an amazingly incompetent lawyer, its clear Landmark and Werner Erhard keep him on, as Schreiber know where the "skeletons"
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Ouch. This is why LGAT's like Landmark actually work better on "white collar" people who are quite intelligent. Those folks are better able to process all of the languaging, and internalize it. I find it hard to believe that the so-called "blue collar" folks, like police and the like, would really buy into Landmark. Some would, but I think a lot of them would just think i
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Quoteebicidic You have been told the $1000 figure is wrong yet you continue to lie about it. I refuse to be manipulated by you and your business model. My reasoning is definitely good enough to spot your manipulation. Its interesting that "ebicidic" has the poor judgement to accuse me of lying about a simple fact that is easy to verify, which I will do below in this post. It makes
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Are there any progressive European countries that could host the Landmark videos? For instance, Operation Clambake is in Norway, and has survived somehow. Maybe they would have a subsection for Landmark there, due to the Scientology connection? Germany seems to have laws that support cult criticism. It would be great to have a temporary place for people to see the video, if the CAIC takes
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Its really very important work the EFF is doing here. There are some interesting points in the article. QuoteThe French television station that broadcast the documentary has not objected to its appearance online. That seems to point toward the idea that the Google lawsuit in France is not from the TV station. Landmark has hired a lawyer in Australia to tell the CAIC to take down the vi
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There are some interesting points in this article about Landmark. She also mentions the rambling, irrelevant letters by Art Schreiber, and the package of legal threats he sends out to anyone who talks about Landmark in the media. Also she mentioned that the Landmark license will revert back to Werner Erhard in 2009, even though anyone with a brain know that Werner has always controlled Landma
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Its interesting that Landmark is filing more ugly frivolous anti-Free-Speech harrassment and threats, but this time using a local lawyer in Amsterdam. So it is possible that Landmark hired a lawyer in France to sue Google as well. We need someone from France to go look it up! :-) Its the same lies the Landmarkian worker-bees keep saying in the Wikipedia article on the video. They keep removi
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QuotePSIsurvivor He seemed to think that I would be within my first amendment rights to post a website and tell my story as a warning to any students who were considering taking the seminar. He said that posting on these forums is just preaching to the choir so to speak. I'd need to register my webpage so that it would show up when people searched on PSI. What is interesting is that if
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Sure, much of the "advice" on Robbins early CD's are literally stolen from NLP, (he pays Richard Bandler even now), and some are just Behavior Therapy. (as in, pick one new behavior, and then force yourself to do it). But I would encourage real caution and skepticism when listening to these types of Tony Robbins audio programs. They are very carefully designed by Robbins, as a typ
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Jeri442: Thank you very much for the detailed post. That type of truth-telling is the first step to moving forward, in my opinion. Most of these "LGATS" work in a very similar way. I will throw out a few ideas for you, and you can consider if they have any value for you. First, it seems you are "blaming yourself" for what happened after PSI far too much. We need to
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That is extremely interesting. Its becoming clear that Landmark would rather just do pay-outs, than to have to give a full accounting in front of the court. Perhaps that is their Achilles heel, they have so many skeletons in their closets, that they have to stay out of the courtroom, and avoid being fully examined by high-level lawyers. One of these days one of those lawsuits will go all the
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It says there there are now 21600 posts, and its about 3 weeks since 20,000. That ludicrous and obviously false claim by Art Schreiber that Rick Ross was making all of the posts on this board, carries as much credibility as Landmark saying that they are suing individual people over the "Inside Landmark Forum" video for reasons of 'copyright', but believe in internet Free Sp
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If anyone can read through this page of horseshit (bogus "syllabus"), I will send you $1. I wonder where in the Landmarkian ideology or syllabus does it say, "sue everyone who has a different "interpretation" of the "reality" of Landmark than you".
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Quote"As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know." Could it be that Rummy really was an est-hole? QuoteAccessing New Possibilities Standard educationa
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