This story has come full circle! info about this is found here.
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It just occurred to me that David Icke's "idea" that the people in power are "Lizard People" and are related somehow to some type of "Jewish Conspiracy" to rule the world...reminds one of those horrible racist cartoons where Jews and other ethnic groups were drawn to look like demons, with horns, and all the rest of it. This was done to dehumanize humans. So
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Actually, "precognition" in terms of dreams is an ideal example of the Confirmation Bias...we notice things that happen in the external world, that we may have dreamt about, and don't notice things that don't happen. We all have thousands of dreams, so we remember the hits, and not the misses. It would actually be quite simple to prove. A person would need to find an
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entry on David Icke in... An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural by James Randi. David Icke also appears to be involved in anti-Semitic ideas. QuoteDavid Icke And The Politics Of Madness, Where The New Age Meets The Third Reich by Will Offley, February 29, 2000 "I strongly believe that a small Jewish clique which has contempt for the mass
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Here is Uri Geller being exposed by Johnny Carson (who was a magician and knows how the tricks are done) on the Tonight Show. Uri Geller has lost all of the nuisance lawsuits he brought forward.
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Ah yes, it was only a matter of time before the Holy Royal Way called in the high-priced tax lawyers to hide behind. Its very typical that these so-called "religions" that are allegedly "spiritual" end up hiding behind high-priced tax lawyers, to exploit the loopholes in the tax code to their own personal advantage. Unfortunately, many of these so-called religions are able
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What is most likely happening when people think they are experiencing "psychic" moments, is they are falling prey to the Confirmation Bias The only way to try and sort that out would be by engaging in very careful tests, using trained independent observers. Its a serious drag to see so much false information being apparently genuinely believed about James Randi and his processes,
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These comments by Laura Marble are coming right out of the Landmark salespitch. "I know its a controversy, but go and find out for yourself". That is the trick, to get the people into the "tent" so they can work their LGAT persuasion on people. Landmark just wants to get people to come, so they can get their teeth into them. As far as the column, you it made it sound like
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I agree that one must carefully test all information coming their way. But the link below is really coming from the "Therapy Wars" agenda. First off, its from 1996. Next, psychoanalytic therapists and psychiatrists have taken to distorting Cognitive Behavioral Therapy to a form of high-art. Dr. Wong appears to be deliberately distorting what Burns has said. CBT does have a quick &q
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From someone who came at her column having not read anything by her before, it seemed to me that she went through a "conversion experience", so she obviously has a very dry sense of humor. In case folks wonder why people here had such a strong reaction to that column, its due to everything people have gone through at the hands of Landmark. For example, posts from this very forum ha
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As usual, there is a lot of incorrect stuff being written about Randi. I see it as a similar dynamic to Rick Ross, where you have people who despise Rick Ross due to his work, who try to smear him as part of their business model. Its the same with James Randi, people who he has exposed, come after him as well, and make up all sorts of half-truths and falsehoods, etc. When Randi says stuff l
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The book Outrageous Betrayal about Werner Erhard is available at Amazon for cheap, from third parties. Check out the publisher comments at Amazon, it states right there that The Forum was created by Werner Erhard from EST, which is what Landmark tries to lie about every day. I have only read excerpts from the book, but my library system has a few copies, so I just ordered it, should be a goo
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ok, let me revise me view on David Icke. I have just looked at his website, which I had not looked at in a long time. QuoteBritish author exposes the reptilian bloodline that rules the world. Learn the truth about many people, including the British Royals, Brian Mulroney.. His main idea is the Reptilian Bloodline, that is not a sideshow. Then he is asking for money to join his website, h
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PS: James Randi is a great guy, but if he BUSTS you trying to scam him, or lie, he will tear you a new one. Randi is best going after the scammers, like Uri Geller, who is a flat out conartist. He is a bit indelicate with True Believers, and he knows it. But Randi cut his teeth exposing scammers, so that is what he is best at, and that is why the scammers spend so much time lying about Jam
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QuoteAcid Reindeer just like when those creationists go, I'll pay you X number of dollars if you can prove evolution. Do you have the links to the Creationist Challenge? I would think they want you to turn a Chimp into Rush Limbaugh live on TV. I don't think they would accept bacteria adapting in a dish. The Randi Challenge is very tough. But I knew a guy who said he could &qu
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There are no Skepticism Police, and people have different styles. Its like with Cults. There are True Believers, and there are con-artists, and scammers. The cons and scammers can be freely attacked. Hopefully, the True Believers can be treated more gently. I think David Icke is a disturbed person, with a serious personality disorder, as stated. The reason I feel its ok to attack David
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I agree that there are many folks who say they are Skeptics, are just arrogant jerks, with a closed mind, trying to make themselves sound superior. But James Randi is not one of them. I have had a lot of personal contact with James Randi over the years. He's a great guy. Many people are just put off by his personality quirks. But if anyone has any real PROOF for something, Randi would be
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I have read several of David Icke's books, as I knew 2 otherwise somewhat "sane" people who were talking about some very weird shit, and I wanted to know what was going on. David Icke very cleary states he was diagnosed as a Paranoid Schizophrenic, which of course he states is false, as he REALLY CAN communicate with other dimensions of reality, and there REALLY IS a vast global c
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Unfortunately, the idea of Skeptic is being confused with the concept Cynic. A Cynic has his mind made up before he sees the facts. A true Skeptic, has the most open-mind possible, and is willing to consider ANY idea or hypothesis, no matter how insane it sounds. But then the true Skeptic carefully applies the tools of critical thinking, to try and figure things out as best as possible, knowin
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QuotezeligHave I been misled? I always thought that Jim Morrison of the Doors was the Lizard King? 8) Yes, this is why the Beatles wrote "I Am The Walrus".
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QuotekathPagan Association (UK). wierd choice of name innit? Very generic name. Strange for a cult, as they often choose Grandiose names to reflect the Ego of their founder...The Royal Way...etc...
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All it would take is for one of these experienced and powerful class-action lawyers in the US, and they could possibly take Landmark down, and put them out of business. Does anyone think Landmark might have some Enron type problems? Or some problems about where all the money is going? Is money getting channelled off-shore somehow? What about the "employee owned" bullshit Landmark
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Of course you are 100% correct that different areas have different laws. But if there are types of "labor abuses" going on at any company, then that can be referred to the labor authorities. There must be some rules regarding salaried employees, and how that is related to basic hours. If the contract is based around 40 hrs, and everyone is working 72 hrs a week, every week, then that&#
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So I gather from this that you made the vid? Excellent job. Perhaps Rick Ross would add a link to that video in his recent extensive article on this subject? Also, folks could post links to the interview video on the Torrent comments for the France 3 video, and everywhere else. Its a nice companion piece to the France 3 TV show. It might be good to get it up on Google video, or whereve
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Yes, that is what would happen, if she posted the name everywhere, and the LINKS to her site, it gives her a better ranking. Here is a trick with Google. Post LINKS to the thread you want to promote, with lots of descriptive WORDS. But post these in the COMMENTS section of MAJOR HIGH-TRAFFIC WEBSITES. (little Blogs are not as good, its better with major websites). All you have to do is wri
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hey, this Rules! This is citizen journalism and activism at its best. I hope that video gets up on YouTube, and Google Video, and on a Torrent, and lots of folks get to watch it. We need more of that stuff, that is great work. Maybe someone can contact the EFF webmaster, and they will link to it on the main Landmark page? QuoteajinajanEnric interviews Kurt Opsahl of the Electronic Frontie
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You know, I think if some smart folks thought about it carefully, there might be a way to communicate with folks who have been recently "brainwashed" to sort of snap them out of it a bit. I am not referring to "deprogramming" or "therapy", as therapy is too passive. But perhaps finding the person's "bullshit button" and getting them to press it.
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Quotenutrino Quote a person who was in the program under a false name That's gotta be the most terriblest, awfulest, meanest thing I ever heard.... how COULD they ? Yes, ole Werner Erhard has had about 6 names, as far as I can see. He seems to have changed his last name again. I wonder if the brainwashed Landmarkian Believers who monitor this forum can see the outrageous HYPOCRISY of We
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Oh lordy, that is TOTALLY sincere. That girl is the perfect "victim" for Landmark...a confused writer just scraping by... She has fallen hook-line and sinker for the Landmark Language. Its clear Werner Erhard targets young women with his LGAT seminars like Landmark, for many reasons, corporate and carnal. I do feel sorry for so many people in this world, who are just too trustin
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by the way, here is a specific example to show the cults can't go to Google to remove websites, or alter the ranking. Landmark would have gone to Google for YEARS with hundreds of pages of legal threats to take this very website out of Google completely. Google obviously just told them "show us an order from a judge to do it", that is, show us the legal PROOF of your claims.
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