also this stuff about "Transformation" is utter horseshit. Its just a temporary 'high' people get from the charged atmosphere. It has ZERO effect on personality and long term habits. Its like an alcoholic screaming NEVER AGAIN...whatever...talk to him next Friday night at closing time. Its psychological Snake-Oil which preys on human gullibility. Change in long-term ha
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It seems to me that Landmark is trying a new PR campaign these days. Its a soft-sell technique. They put Landmark out as being "controversial" but don't make many strong statements either way. They also put forward people who claim they are not going to take any more courses, etc, and that Landmark didn't mean much to them... It all seems to me more of the "get the
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I am just referring to the general principle, when you have someone in "authority" like a Landmark leader, who is engaging psychological issues with people, like having them speak on an open mike about sexual abuse and other traumatic issues, then this "authority" person has responsibilities. They have to behave responsibly, or they could be criminally prosecuted for negligenc
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I don't know, it seemed to me he mentioned this woman who spilled her guts about sexual abuse...and then next day ...oh by the way we broke early as the girl who spilled her guts about the sexual abuse had to go to the hospital... Maybe he didn't think it through...that this poor woman was having a mental or emotional breakdown, after having her trauma triggered by some incompetent
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the posts struck me as disengenuous as well, with the goal of trying to show Landmark is "not a big deal", which is false, of course. But perhaps he just made a mistake when he mentioned that the girl who had a break-down after revealing her child abuse, was taken to the hospital the next day. Those are the very things Landmark does anything to suppress and deny. It would be intere
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That is how nasty and coercive Landmark is. They take people who have paid Landmark money for a "course" and then they frame things so the very people to take the course are "afraid Landmark will sue them". This is the work of Werner Erhard and his lawyers, trying to use legal threats to intimidate people. Evil. Its a form of terrorism. As far as this situation, that is
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There is a ridiculous website run by Werner Erhard's acolytes which reminded me of this thread, in how the serious problems with est-Landmark are glossed over as a "controversy". There is an entire section called "controversy". That is the term Werner dreamed up to use, to try and distort the truth of what has really happened. That is how they try to "frame&quo
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The book OUTRAGEOUS BETRAYAL is an excellent book, and a quick read. Everyone should get a copy from the library, or buy a copy and read it. It contains all sorts of information about Jack Rosenberg, Werner Erhard, and LGAT cults in general. Its all there, the wife-beating, child-abuse and child-beating, Werner Erhard's own daughter accusing him of sexual abuse, Erhard claiming he is o
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I was thinking about that poor woman who was telling about her sexual abuse at the Landmark-est Forum, and who then had to be taken to the hospital. Did she have a mental breakdown, or an emotional overload, or some physical problems as a defense against the severe emotional anguish? Some people collapse when the emotional pain gets to be too great, as their psyche can't take it all at once
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yes, there is no question that Landmark has assigned one of their unpaid illegal employee-slaves to monitor this forum, and probably write summaries, and pass it up the food chain to Art Schreiber. But one would think that Harry Rosenberg already suspects that his "enemies" have hired private detectives to put together a dossier on his contacts with his brother Jack-Werner overseas.
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Just post links to the Landmark expose video at CAIC, in the comments section of that YouTube video. And post links to the Torrent of the video too. Everytime Landmark posts propaganda, then its easy to post links to the CAIC video, and links to sites like this one. It best to keep the comments somewhat neutral, so people will go ahead and click the link and watch the other video.
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This book about Werner Erhard (Jack Rosenberg) is a must read. Outrageous Betrayal: The Real Story of Werner Erhard from Est to Exile: by Steven Pressman. You can get used copies for 15 bucks. Its available in many public library systems for free.
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To dig up that kind of info would require some serious investigative reporters, as Werner Erhard & Co would have dozens of dummy shell companies all over the place making money transfers. There are people who specialize in hiding and moving money, but they are very hard to catch. Also, if someone with some resources could finance a top private detective to be put on Werner Erhard'
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QuoteThe_Trooper We broke early for the second break because one girl who yesterday movingly told her tale of childhood sexual abuse fell ill and had to go to the hospital. By the way, this is exactly what happens to the poor souls who are duped into "flooding" severe childhood trauma, like sexual abuse. For some people, God only knows what they went through as children, and reactiva
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There is one single activity that Landmark carries out, that they should be shut down for. Werner Erhard designed a process for people to take deep, untreated TRAUMA in people, and then REACTIVATE it, and then just cut people lose with no support from professionals. This can lead to hospitalization and even suicide, and mental breakdowns, as we have seen. When someone has been sexually abus
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I don't see Jack Rosenberg as being involved in the day-to-day ops of his business, Landmark Education. He might be...but I doubt it. More about setting policy and direction, and sticking to his bogus "philosophies" and abusive methods of coercion, etc, etc. Other cult-type leaders were nabbed recently, and what they had were those prepaid anonymous cell phones that drug dealers
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thx for that link, I only read the abstract so far...but... That is one of the worst abstracts I have ever read, it sounds like it was written by a drunken Landmark lawyer. Why does Landmark have to repeat each dumb "non-idea" of theirs 7 times? Why not just say it once properly and clearly? That abstract is an amazing piece of absurdist farce. Werner Erhard is telling people that
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This "alternativescience" website is amusing and yet disturbing. This is the best they have? Some guy is pretending he lives without food. The "test" is to lock him up in a room for a "week or two"? That is completely ridiculous. People hunger strike for long periods of time, look at Gandhi. I say lock him up for 6 months without food. But of course Randi can&
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QuotecultreporterAnti Cult, I think that you should refrain from making sweeping generalisations. I posted a lot of information from skeptics sources which criticise Randi. . I think exercising critical thinking about everything is great, of course including James Randi. That's what James Randi WANTS you to do, he does NOT want you to "believe" what he says. He wants people to t
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Quotekath Strangely 'professional' psychics who say they will prove their claims often vanish or back out, making excuses why not to take the test :D Might damage their income if people knew they had lost I suppose. Its been my experience they always back out of testing. In regards to Randi, they start the process thinking they can beat the test, but once they see how the test will
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Please ignore that first pic in the post above, its a trick link, that switched from a picture, to an advertisment, and it looks like we can't edit posts anymore to remove stuff like that??!! Here is a correct satirical pic, dedicated to our favorite bad-lawyer. http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7333/pictures/Hutz2.jpg Took it out for you. EZ
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The original uploader agreed not to upload the video again, so he/she better not! But its common knowledge that some other person could put the video onto a CD, and upload it to other video websites, and do so from an anonymous internet cafe somewhere where they pay cash to use the computer, and Landmark could never find out who did it. But Landmark will send out their letters, and most web
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This is great news! So whoever posted those videos is now free and clear. Another abject legal failure for Art Schrieber, and a PR disaster, and the video is still being watched on the net. Gotta run, but this is great news for whoever posted that video. Thank goodness groups like the EFF exist.
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Is this a joke, or did you do one of those "phone conferences" Robbins has? If you ever do, its interesting to count how many products he promotes...usually the "coaching" as that can be used to get people into all of the other streams. Robbins will also speak extremely rapidly, so you don't have time to think. His old hypnotic command anchor was "Live With Passi
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From my perspective, this is a sad thread, stemming from lots of misinformation, and some strange grudges against James Randi. I know James Randi a bit personally, and this stuff being said about him here, is mainly a bunch of distortion dreamed up by people who Randi has debunked, or stuff people have read written by people trying to discredit Randi, instead of dealing with the facts that Randi
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What is being said here is a "blame the victim" type of mentality subscribed to by damaging groups like Landmark. This bogus Landmark "Disclaimer" is yet another scam. Werner Erhard and those who run Landmark know that people with mental illness who could be hurt by Landmark are the LAST people who are ever going to read those types of disclaimers carefully and make the decis
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Notice how the $ from Madonna's childrens books goes straight to Madonna, with no oversight! Some "charity". Quotehttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,230158,00.html Madonna’s Adoption Kills Book Sales Friday, November 17, 2006 By Roger Friedman It may not be true after all that all publicity is good publicity. Take Madonna. Her hellacious month of bad press concerni
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I tried to give Laura Marble the benefit of the doubt, but she's lost that. Its clear she is out to write about Landmark and... "piqued others' interest by writing about it". That is a pure Landmark soft-sell... "hey, it is a controversy, so come and see for yourself, so we can f*ck with your mind without your awareness, you clueless lost soul". For someone w
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I would also like to express sympathy about your brothers disappearance, and hope that he can be located as soon as possible. Time and time again, we hear stories of people who attend the Landmark Forum, and then have mental breakdowns, similar to what has been described here. It is not an isolated incident. The Landmark seminar leaders are not trained psychologists, and have no business en
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Just because Royal Way's hired gun is making claims, does not mean a person can't file a confidential report with the IRS about Royal Way, if a person has concerns. Royal Way could be making a "claim" that they don't have to file a federal tax return, but that doesn't mean that the IRS would agree. The IRS might have to do a full investigation to look into it. Fr
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