QuoteNotM2I was wondering if anyone would actually comment again on this thread. Thank you Mr. Anticult for doing so. I find it very interesting that you didn't answer any of my questions with anything substantial. You only attempted to answer one questions and your answer was "It's easy, it happens all the time." I simply asked some questions based solely on the previous post
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I was wondering if anyone would actually comment again on this thread. Thank you Mr. Anticult for doing so. I find it very interesting that you didn't answer any of my questions with anything substantial. You only attempted to answer one questions and your answer was "It's easy, it happens all the time." I simply asked some questions based solely on the previous posts of NotM,
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This post from "NotM2" is highly manipulative. First off, he is playing off the original posters ID, which is very dishonest. Its strong manipulation and apologetics for those being criticized, using the actual techniques being mentioned! In fact, many of these sales groups, do use the embedded language techniques to manipulate people, as proven in these threads. They "give-a
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How lucky that you were able to follow your girlfriend and get away from something you deemed to be harmful to you. I must admit though, that I have a few questions about your posts. How is it that you can say you were "damaged" if this man has never received any money from you, which you readily admit, nor has he, according to you, done anything but correspond with you via email. U
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Re: James Parkinson and www.solidrockvista.com (I looked at the sites about him and the group and it really doesn't say anything very much at all.) Just because there aren't any extensive messages about this group on this forum doesn't mean that it isn't a cult. The answer is in your heart. I think the ultimate question is: Are you giving away your own personal power to
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Does anyone who was around in this time period recall James Parkinson curent cult leader of www.solidrockvista.com ?
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So since over 30 people have went through this and had nothing to share I'll chock it up to my inability to write with any purpose. I would like to add this: It's hard for me to believe that having had foreknowledge of NLP I walked into a club where the cultist leader did nothing but use it extensively. I'd never really knew the definition of nested loops, and now that I do
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How close is what landmark does to what EST was? Solid Rock Vista's cult leader was a member of Est.
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I have been in an abusive and manipulative online relationship("friendship" "pupilship" ) led by the leader of this cult: SolidRockVista.Com Jamesworld.com It's all due to browsing the philosophy section of the podcast directory on Itunes store. I have been in a daze. It didn't seem possible that emails (for several years) and podcasts could really da
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Note to wassuphere?: I'm wondering if you had the discussion with your family member and how things went? I'm not sure if this sort of method works or not, but I would imagine its worth trying. Many of the older students are so heavily under the spell of Sharon and Robert that they may refuse to listen to you. On the other hand, they may have formulated their own reasons to be suspi
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Carlos Castaneda tried to conceal his own final illness and death. Years later, there are still true believers ('TBs') who are convinced his stuff is real and various spin offs. Gurdjieff kicked the bucket and his stuff continued. Ouspensky, just before he died, faced his devotees and told them there was no system after all, they had to find their own way. They were shocked
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Friends, Jacumba/RW as an organization may fizzle once Michael is dead. But many of his follower may remain colonized by projected material he entrenched in them. They may even be targeted for recruitment by other gurus who are out there, watching like vultures. Go read histories of Gurdjieff and what happened after he and Ouspensky died. Bereaved students either formed other, smaller
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There was also something from Gurdjieff's work called the Stop Exercise (note this is cited as part of our ongoing detective work to demonstrate how various entrepreneurs 'recycle' material from earlier sources when creating their own supposedly new and unique methods. This is NOT an endorsement of Gurdjieff work, quite the contrary-Corboy)
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It's my pleasure to share my experience and hope that others can see what kind of cult is the Gnostic Movement. QuoteKeir-"my Internal God, my Father who is within me, sent me" What other conclusion is he implying here. Once again he rips off the New Testament where Jesus's remarked that "I(he) and the father are one..that his Father in Heaven sent me (him)......&quo
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Hi everyone, I did get out of a cult group which uses principally the Samael Aun Weor teachings and those of Gurdjieff’s 4th way. It was in Canada, in the province of Quebec. They have an association in the two biggest cities of the province. Here’s a link to their website: You will see that there are three languages available just below the eagle icon (French, English and Spanish
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QuotemxkittyMalcolmSingh, The "self-remembering" exercise is a form of self-hypnosis. There is also a phenomenon called "snapping" which is a biological and psychological reaction to cult mind control. The result is a natural high and sense of wonderment which the victim attributes to the teachings of the cult. "Wow! I feel better than I ever have before! This group
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Some history lessons. From a discussion by Mark Sedgwick of the work of EF Schumacher, author of Small is Beautiful Schumacher was influenced by a variety of ideologies, among them traditionalism and also Steinerian Anthroposophy. 'Schumacher was an appreciative reader of Traditionalist works but was not himself a Traditionalist,' Sedgwick writes. 'he was a disciple less of
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Samael Aeon Weor--An Obscure Source of Material for South American Entrepreneur Esotericists/Commercial Shamans? This discussant brought up Weor in context of a discussion from where some others may have obtained their sources. and This entire thread, all 37 pages of it, is worth studying. Weor referred to Enneagon in his writings, though much later, others used it to refer to diffe
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Devising a Self Cure by Using Nonduality to Dissociate, Disown or Bypass Aspects of Pain Laden Self? To reiterate, I would suggest not only going guru free for five years, in terms of staying away from living gurus, but also abstaining from dead gurus, too. Such as...Ramana Maharashi, or Gurdjieff, or Castaneda. All those folks are dead, but plenty still relate to them as gurus, still tryin
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"Correct me if I'm wrong Typical, but it appears that you have no actual experience with any Samael Aun Weor group." Ok, you are wrong. I have lots of experience with them. "Did Samael truly plagiarize?" Yes as far as the question is concerned for the definition of a cultic group and also..." In other words, it is a baseless accusation. Please show examples
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Dont give up in despair. That is letting the wrong side win. Here are some potential traps that so very many of us easly get caught in. I was not ever in Fourth Way stuff but I was snagged in other dead ends and will offer my limited perspective. QuoteI was always advised that it was dangerous, but what they fail to communicate is that if you're involvement brings you to a stage w
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Hello Malcom, I've read your posts and agree with you completely. Yes, I was there too...yes, when you were there and yes, I've suffered years of deplorable self-loathing, depression and aimlessness. You can dress it up in Gurd language and say I'm 'stuck between two stools', but the irony of using Work language to express the experience is that it misses the actual
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Ok now I will deal with TypicalSeeker, Sorry I have been busy with the holidays. Correct me if I'm wrong Typical, but it appears that you have no actual experience with any Samael Aun Weor group. "Did Samael truly plagiarize?" Yes as far as the question is concerned for the definition of a cultic group and also quite likely under the conditions of legal copyright, if he wasn&
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It would be nice if someone could provide some facts to back up the claims made here. Did Samael truly plagiarize? When, where and how? Please quote the SAW words and then quote the Gurdjieff, Ouspenky or whatever. I read all three of these authors and I saw similarities but it is not plagiarism to use and build on the ideas of another, especially when they are long since dead. The man's
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You need not agree with whatever has already been written here. Quoteit is hard to read all of the thousands of previous posts, i was wondering if there is any kind person who can point me to do some reading online, not through books, but online on the computer so i can read any criticisms of gurdjieff and his teachings. If you want to reach your goal, you will have to be willing to sit dow
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thank you ctel for your response. will read those posts on that page you posted. it looks interesting. it helps to narrow down some of the reading for me, which is what i wanted, for else it is just overwhelming somettimes reading all of the posts on this forum on a particular topic. So far my research on the internet hasnt turned up much criticism or negatives against gurdjieff. Wikipedia ar
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i have been reading some gurdjieff and i find some of his ideas worth reading. and yet i found on this board some people who think he was a cult leader. it is hard to read all of the thousands of previous posts, i was wondering if there is any kind person who can point me to do some reading online, not through books, but online on the computer so i can read any criticisms of gurdjieff and his
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Quote"Ironically, the material warns the reader of the possibility of becoming a,"canidate for the madhouse," but who would take that seriously" Many people would read 'this will make you a candidate for the madhouse' and take it as a dare. Someone offering you a seat at a game played with marked cards will find a way to make this set up look like a grand adv
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As I read the insightful threads here denouncing Gurdjieff and Ouspensky groups, I am curious if anyone out there fell victim to the seductive quality of Gurdjieff literature without the aid of a group? At age 19, my aunt gave me "In Search of the Miraculous," and "The Fourth Way" to read. I was emotionaly and intellectualy obssesed for the next 13 years. Although I a
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