correction: It was pointed out that I used the term 'real Vegans'. That is sloppy and incorrect. Of course, many followers of Ching Hai may be Vegans long before they met Ching Hai. So to correct that, that would mean Vegans with no connection to Ching Hai Inc. There are all kinds of Vegans out there, and most obviously have nothing to do with Ching Hai. So non-Ching Hai Vegans
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in the event of a "SupremeLeak"... Here are a few ideas to organize a structured presentation of the facts Who is Ching Hai? - The official story - Other versions of Ching Hai's biography, which have to be considered (find Eric Lai's reseach) - The real number of followers - The unverifiable informations (which are sometimes also unbelivable, like the 450 years old M
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---------------------quote--------------------- Know thy master Are Sacramento’s Ching Hai devotees eco-conscious, vegan, meditation masters—or members of the region’s fastest-growing cult? By Alia Cruz ...VegNews recently published an explosive article on the supreme master, where writer Abigail Young revealed that Ching Hai lived a materialistic lifestyle, one that seemingly contradicts
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No wonder Eric Lai is in hiding (in terms of Ching Hai). Eric Lai writes a thesis over 15 years ago about Hue Dang Trinh. And 15 years later, SMCH operatives NAME HIM directly in an internet petition. His name went out to large numbers of members of the SMCH group. Again, these are all deliberate tactics, meant to discourage and frighten people. They name the writers, and they go after the
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The comments on this Ching Hai petition, don't help disprove the point of the article. Quite the opposite. Their repeated talking point word of the day is "slanderous". (that is a not so subtle message to magazine editors about costly a costly SLAPP) That seems to be the most famous and perhaps important paper Eric Lai wrote, while still at college. The vigorous attack aga
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Its very interesting how such a mild article, becomes so traumatic in the Ching Hai followers mind. Its because the messianic Leader of the sect is built up in their mind to be "perfect" and divine. One notices how cult experts often ask a follower to name even ONE critical thing about their Guru-Leader. Just ask them to criticize one single thing about their Master. They can't do
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Supreme Mystery by Abigail Young -----------article quote excerpt for research and analysis---------------- Supreme Mystery by Abigail Young "With more than 160 locations opened since 2008, Loving Hut is the world's fastest growing veg restaurant chain. Though the brand is more noticeable than ever, the woman behind it remains something of an enigma. Who is Supreme Master
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And this is not even scratching the surface, as Ching Hai is active in many countries. They are pulling in tens of millions, and where is it all going? To P.O. Boxes in the Virgin Islands, or Cayman Islands? Transferred between numbered companies worldwide? This is why one should never give, donate, or buy even ONE DOLLAR worth of anything from these kinds of groups of sects. No one knows
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It would be enlightening to make a complete list of all the different companies and websites that are owned and controlled by the "crazy" like a fox Supreme Master Ching Hai. They sure love Post Office boxes at SMCH. www.smchbooks.com www.suprememastertv.com www.remembergod.org www.godsdirectcontact.org www.godsdirectcontact.com www.contatodiretocomdeus.com.br www.nepali.godsd
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And you have to shake your head. Will Tuttle is saying this is nothing like a cultish group?? In the next breath he is talking about Supreme Master Ching Hai. Its not enough for Ching Hai to be your Master. She wants to be your Supreme Master. Now of course every one of these groups these days tries to fudge that, and try and make it sound like "God" is the Supreme Master...(later
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Here are the people/entities who appear to be listed for this company trademark. Of course, the trademark seems to be registered out of a Virgin Islands POST OFFICE BOX, which of course is not for tax-benefits, as Ching Hai is so "crazy". ;-) All these "crazy" spiritual Gurus with multiple corporations globally, based in areas to minimize taxes. Check out how many hundr
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Can anyone makes sense of this? It looks like their trademark and logo, involved in selling products with animal skins? Or is it just imitation skins? ------------------------------------- On Wednesday, November 26, 2008, a U.S. federal trademark registration was filed for L LOVING HUT BE VEG GO GREEN. This trademark is owned by LOVING HUT INTERNATIONAL LIMITED, TORTOLA. The USPTO has given
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Its also quite sad about the Loving Hut situation. In a few areas where Vegan is popular, they MIGHT be able to break-even. Maybe. But in other areas, not a chance. The cost of the lease, insurance, taxes, and everything else would make it a money-pit for the owners. There is a Loving Hut which is always empty, with 4 "staff" at the front, of course they may not be getting paid. But
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Interesting about the Loving Hut franchise. Again, it shows how clever Ching Hai is. Because if a follower is going to go so far to dump all that money into a restaurant, then of course they are going to buy her special imported food. As they believe in her, and would obviously believe the food is blessed, or whatever, and specially made, and not contaminated like the rest of the worlds food, et
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It is comical, but its serious as real people are getting hurt, and are going to get hurt by this Ching Hai system. And sadly the average person has NO CLUE of what Ms Ching Hai is up to with this. She is a very smart cookie, actually. Very clever, and media savvy, and she understands mass persuasion. All of this "weird" stuff has been covered in other threads, its a technique. And i
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Even smarter! That way there is no legal liability, but the franchisees have to buy their food from her. Well, in franchise-land that is how the Supreme Owner makes the best money, buy over-charging their own franchisee for product. That is why the local Subway owner gives you 3 olives, and you have to ask for more, because he has to buy his olives from Subway Inc, and they charge them plenty.
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Actually, when I was last in the group, my wife and I were researching opening up a loving hut. Here are the facts(relevant as of a year ago). There are no franschise fees or revenue sharing arrangements between the resturant owner(s) and the orginization. However, all decor must fit their image standards with paintings, lanterns and crap, which is a revenue generator for the master. Loving h
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and its looking like the www.lovinghut.com restaurants, are a franchise situation, where devoted Ching Hai followers buy a franchise from her company, and set one up. What is the cost of the Loving hut franchise? Setting up an experimental Vegan fast-food franchise paid to the Master, possibly using your house as collateral? Setting up franchises is one of the BIGGEST moneymakers in any se
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Looking into the details of Ching Hai, and its very clear they are using all of the standard set-ups, operating like a business corp, using religious tax-loopholes internationally, etc. She even claims on her website she does NOT accept donations. Again, many groups SAY that to deflect criticism. They get the money in other ways, either by selling overpriced material to the members. Or just ca
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Thank you again, Koldin, for these interesting documents. I came back to the Suprememystery's Blog in order to check if they published my comment... not yet. No possible technical problem this time, because some later comment are displayed. There are now many answers to the question : VegNews Supreme Mystery article – what do you think? Good question. But they seem not to be so
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I'd like to share (and promote, because it is not enough well-known) an article entitled "Supreme Mystery" by Abigail Young for VegNews magazine. That article have caused an incredible anger in the Ching Hai followers community, since august last year. I looked for it because it was mentioned in the article "Know thy master" by Alia Cruz, listed on Rick Ross Institute. C
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Hi all I am new to this site. The reason I search the internet for a site like this is that all of my immediate family member have are devoted disciples of the Ching Hai cult. I’m really confused now, not sure what to need do. Kind of need some advice guys. I tell you the whole story. My self and my whole a family were non religious. Both my self and my sister were born atheists. My family wer
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(a cross-post of another Ching Hai post) ____________________________________________ The AntiChingHai NEED HELP ALL OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS IN CHING HAI'S CULT Hi all I am new to this site. The reason I search the internet for a site like this is that all of my immediate family member have are devoted disciples of the Ching Hai cult. I’m really confused now, not sure what to need do
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Hi all I am new to this site. The reason I search the internet for a site like this is that all of my immediate family member have are devoted disciples of the Ching Hai cult. I’m really confused now, not sure what to need do. Kind of need some advice guys. I tell you the whole story. My self and my whole a family were non religious. Both my self and my sister were born atheists. My family wer
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Hi all I am new to this site. The reason I search the internet for a site like this is that all of my immediate family member have are devoted disciples of the Ching Hai cult. I’m really confused now, not sure what to need do. Kind of need some advice guys. I tell you the whole story. My self and my whole a family were non religious. Both my self and my sister were born atheists. My family wer
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QuoteterrenautIf that is not so, then why hide? Why? I dare the ASM to state openly, proudly and without fear, who they are, what they believe in and from where/whom they get their spiritual guidance. Until they do that, they are just NONSENSE. The delusion that Chris Butler's followers live in qualifies as a mental illness. If they are chasing around after CR who are they actually fo
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QuotesWordQuoteapostate I wouldn't worry about copyright. He never does. What goods and money did he steal? Sorry for the delay. I tried to negotiate with the "apostle" about our boy's kidney, and didn't want to antagonise him. However he branded me a terrorist and declared that they do not negotiate with terrorists. Anyhow, the deal didn't come off, an
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Hi again Liberty, Thanks for your response. The big problem I have in responding to your post is that there is no way to give an adequate response without resorting to getting into Biblical exegesis, which would lead me down a path that we are not allowed to take on these forums. So, regarding rebound, I really can't get into an in-depth analysis of 1 John 1:9 and what its role is Bib
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Yesterday I went to the Hawaii State Library in Honolulu and took out a copy of Dr. Willis Butler's book: "Barbara: Memoir of a Love Affair." (Published by AuthorHouse, 2006. ISBN 1-4208-6091-7 (sc) I can tell you that this book is going to be of interest to anyone who is studying this cult. Interestingly, in the book, Will Butler sometimes spells his youngest son's
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