jj, I am going to be really blunt here...those are extremely fucking dangerous people. I am not making this stuff up. They want to hammer people's minds down to nothing, rip it apart, Dis-Assemble your Identity, and reform it focussed on Byron Katie for her own vanity and self-interest. Meanwhile acting all sweet and holy, and saying the exact opposite. Its sicko stuff, and plain as day t
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jj, all I can say is the guy appears to have openly told a bunch of BS? I don't see anything wrong on calling that out in the open. Also, I have never seen anyone break out of an LGAT without get a bit pissed off. Nothing wrong with being a bit angry, its healthy boundaries. With very strong boundaries, its much more difficult to get sucked in. Forceful boundaries keeps them from hammering
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a friend just lent me a CD set... A THOUSAND NAMES FOR JOY, 6 hours of audio from someone named Byron Katie, and her renowned unknown hubbie Stephen Mitchell. Lets put it on right now.. ...New Age music...so spiritual...I am in a Trance already.... - Stephen Mitchell starts with a preframe, and the false origin Story. - pitch the 4 Questions...this is very Trancy already...confusing
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QuoteThe Shadow honestly, I don't know what he's doing over here anyway, he really does not have anything to offer, except to "defend" his position, which he keeps saying he is not defending! Here's here to plant the seeds of The Work inside the critical threads, to hook followers of the Work who are reading these threads, gently back into The Work. To lead them back Ho
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jj, thx for the Insiders look at a Katiephiliac...very interesting. Because, from the outside, one can see someone lying. Just not telling the truth. But from the inside, its all been warped, and they see it as something else. Of course, those at the TOP who make a ton of CASH from this stuff, know what they are doing. But the lower end newbies are often True Believers. That being sai
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one can expect various promoters of The Work, to come here and elsewhere and try to use The Work against The Facts. They usually try to send a few folks out to put out fires, and tell the other people to just IGNORE the evildoers trapped in their Minds and factual reality. DENY, IGNORE. It never ceases to amaze how various New Age culty groups about alleged Love and God and all that, seem t
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This one statement jumped out. Just what is going on in the house of Byron Katie and Stephen Mitchell? At some point, some ethical person might find it in their conscience to come clean, and tell the world what they have really seen behind closed doors...and what is really going on, and post it on some blog or message board. Or perhaps to decide to go public, and to be a whistleblower, and t
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Great Work about Jon Willis! Well here we go again! Does any rational person believe with all these hits just read a few Byron Katie books? Or more likely they were assigned to do some internet MOVE THE WORK posting by BKI? (keep that in mind each time a soft-spoken innocent appears running word patterns) Notice how he played innocent about posting and advertising, using deflection? Maybe
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Hey, didn't I say it was Solipsism before? ;-) Not only is Solipsism false, if seriously believed, it actually can be very dangerous. But it seems to be more like...Solipsism for the Schoolmates...Narcissism for the Teacher. solipsism philosophy Quotejj52That is precisely it. That's the best way I've heard it described yet. Perfect. Thank you. -jj Quo
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QuotevlindenI just Googled Byron Katie to see if any of these threads come up, but I went through 5 pages and didn't see anything. What can we do to make the Rick Ross site come up sooner when people Google Byron Katie? Many things. First off, Google Byron Katie and a "negative" word, and see what comes up then! But this is how to get a better Google ranking. -each time
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Notice how Byron Katie get the ADULTS who attend The Byron Kstie School of Work Mass-Hypnosis ...to lable themselves as... Schoolmates. Schoolmates. She wants to regress people to childhood, obey the Authority of Byron Katie, the Teacher-Mom-God. OBEY, LISTEN, LOVE. with Love, The Anticult. (I am going to LoveBomb everyone now, like the BK folks do...) Love, TA, with Love, Lovi
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What is The Work? It seems to change daily? Why? Where are the explanations? Does it need to be immediately reported the psychological authorities in California? There were detailed and what appeared like extreme psychological and even medical CLAIMS being made on "What Is The Work" website of Byron Katie. But sometime after Feb 23, 2008 they were DELETED from their webpage, and
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What is The Work? It seems to change daily? Why? Where are the explanations? Does it need to be immediately reported the psychological authorities in California? There were detailed and what appeared like extreme psychological and even medical CLAIMS being made on "What Is The Work" website of Byron Katie. But sometime after Feb 23, 2008 they were DELETED from their webpage, and
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Hi vlinden... you question seems easy, but its not! You are asking...what is the Mind? :-) The first thing expert hypnotists do is prove there is no such thing as hypnosis. I actually agree. Its semantics. Sowhen somebody says THERE IS NO HYPNOSIS, that is the first step in the waking Trance. But, to be specific, here are some links. #1) don't spend 1 penny on this, its full of scam
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also, if you wanted (not) to learn some covert Erickons Hypnosis from the NLP trainer unconscious manipulator Stever Robbins. Here is a massive page of info by Stever. It'll only cost you about $50,000 for all the NLP super-LGAT's, once they get done with you. "Much of early NLP was based on the work of Virginia Satir, a family therapist; Fritz Perls, founder of Gestalt th
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Since we are all now talking about how Byron Katie and The Work, and Stever Robbins, and Carol Skolnick are doing covert, secret, Erickonian Hypnosis on you without your awareness... Here is a previous post that just goes into it a little bit more. There is even a Erickonsian hypnographic Secret Message for Carol L. Skolnick at the bottom. Maybe too secret? Waking Hypnosis Love Bombing, co
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Jon...please now enter into the parlor of reality... Please read the threads to catch-up on the facts of reality, as its all there. The 4 Questons of The Work have already been debunked in detail. There are philosophically false, and psychologically damaging. It's a mind-trick. Also, lets please stick to the facts. The 4 Questions are what Byron Katie says the work IS, after the coc
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OMG...was made aware that this guy Stever Robbins, made a post on the Byron Katie skin cancer scare-blog. Are Stever Robbins and Byron Katie in bed together? (so to speak) Stever Robbins is...dear lord save us all. Where to start... he is one of these uber-super-duper-super-super-mega-marketers, Life Coaches, super-salesmen, internet propagandists, NLPers..... Lock up your daughters
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In my experience, all of these new agey type culty groups have their own demographic audience. So Byron Katie is appealing to a certain segment of the population, from their materials, it appears to be mostly women, and women who are in a lot of pain, and women who MAY have a bit of the "disease too please" and be "too nice", and who are also HIGHLY SUGGESTIBLE TO HYPNOSIS an
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They just did the launch of the Eckhart Tolle on Oprah, for the web seminar... The video clips were designed to DISARM your objections... #1) Christian Objections: they showed a nice Christian lady saying how Eckhart Tolle's book A NEW EARTH is totally compatible with Christianity, and is NOT some New Age fluff. This is to TRY to stop the by the book US Christians from crucifying Toll
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lastly, to be clear, I am in NO way saying that they are ALL self-conscious manipulators. That would be a distortion. Some at the top are, but even those folks might have 100% belief in The System, and Guru, for various reasons, and also be making a lot of money doing it. Most of the lower-end folks are certainly 100% True Believers, who are sorta just going by the book. It might take them years
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The good thing about the amateurs and hacks, is you can use their poorpy done sites for mental practice! If you wanted to learn NLP, go see an expert, and then compare to some talentless HACK! Its fun. Watch out for COMEDY. They like that one, make you LAUGH first. Watch out for the LOVE-BOMB. Hint: don't love a stranger... :-) Watch out for Hypnosis, Inductions, metaphors, leadi
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hey, I am totally patient, although that might not come across, in plain text! :-) But I just thought of a metaphor. Have you ever flipped on the TV at some weird time, like 5:00 am, and there is some bizarre TV Evangelist on, with fake-hair, telling people to put their hands on the screen, and showing fake-shills in wheelchairs get up and walk? And telling people to send in money and get Ho
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Below is an EXCERPT QUOTE, and another example of the methods and language patterns from The Work, from the expert Carol L. Skolnick. But it has a little twist to it....its the old show-biz technique of Enter Laughing...open with a joke, comedy. Its interesting that Carol Skolnick, and another big poster about The Work, Steven Sashen, both use a lot of comedy, its a great way to loosen "thin
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continuing from above, as saw from the first moment I analyzed Byron Katie's material, she is not insane or crazy, as one normally uses those terms. Not even close. People who do LGAT's or who talk/write in confusing language like that, are doing specific techniques and hypnotic Inductions, all well studied, taught, and mapped out. Much of it began with Dr. Milton Erickson, and sinc
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Contrary to first impression, that paragraph above by Byron Katie is NOT insane, or crazy at all, its very well constructed. Those types of language patterns are very similar to ones used in Ericksonian Hypnosis, and covert NLP persuasion. Its a type of Waking Hypnosis, that uses indirect and embedded commands, double-binds, illogical stories, metaphors, to occupy the conscious mind, to allow
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(for clarity, the response to the analysis of Byron Katies hypnotic language patterns of unconscious persuasion has been moved here). (with Love of course...) as I think I said from the first moments I analyzed Byron Katie's material, she is not insane or crazy, as one normally uses those terms. Not even close. People who do LGAT's who talk/write in confusing language like tha
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