That last bit in the previous post is meant to read “do not ask questions”. I recalled an upload from a while back, three years where Amrit Desai visited the Ashram. On a re-listen, Amrit states some of the endeavours and trainings that shunyamurti has undertaken in order to be where he is today ashram wise. One of those stated is “business”, which speaks volumes to me now. At around 53 min
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Hello All, Zizlz, I haven’t watched any videos including batgaps for little over a year as part of my recovery. I only recently started to expose myself again (ever so slightly) to do the research on the other topic. Traveller that is a very informative post, thank you for the information. Aside from Rick I am not familiar with the other panelist’s. I am happy that the ethics of amma wor
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Sheesh, somebody pass me the bin my hope on this is going in there.
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I have learned so much more from this, thank you for the nod. It has been rough going though I rather know than not know. I knew a few years ago that nlp was used to manipulate for ill purpose though not the actual workings (I never looked into it that deeply) and certainly not hypnosis. I had to google what “flaming” was, and flaming posts so that’s a learning curve too. I see what you mean a
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Hello all, I watched this discussion clip just the other day after Zislz shared a link to it, it is all seems great though before I go dedicating myself to it as a trustworthy source I have to point something out, didn’t one of them mention following the hugging saint, Amma? who I understand is not without many persons who have been hurt deeply by her. I know that Rick follows Amma already
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Hello MyNameIsHeather, I have watched this film too it was very interesting though it was difficult to watch. Some of the reactions at the end where people got upset and angry, leaving because they had been fooled and others being really humbled and interested by their experience was amazing. I can only imagine how it must have been for the man acting as the guru, it would have been difficult
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Hi Lori, I’m not sure if it is helpful to be aware or not, at the moment there is currently media focus brewing on the government children’s home / care system that is in place in the UK, and the private children’s homes set up by others due to lack of services. The focus is looking at the abuses running throughout them, failing safeguarding etc. I would say that the “trap” houses mentioned
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Here on CEI message board we've discussed the > nested loops trance technique. > > To get the straight dope, go to Search. > > Select all dates. Put The Anticult in the author > slot > > Put nested loops in the words slot and select > exact phrase. > > Anricults contri
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Well, an update on this generally, during last weekend I was searching the forum about something else and came across some information others have already posted about the practice of hypnotism. This link, posted about something called Nested Loops gave me a brain click because of the “great” story teller I associated with Shunyamurti. Y’know, story telling and listening is great childlike fu
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light34 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SO true people will start to question and would > start with one 2 and then 5 and 10 and on and on It is, I feel it is a natural process luckily that can be utilised. > .. i exposed once here another group and after a > year so many came forward to talk at least 40 of > them woke up .. apart from
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Hello sffs, Thank you so much for posting and sharing the information. The subject is something I have previously understood in my own journey. I recognise that we’re all humans, and the paradox in the perfection / imperfection thing. This does not mean that I am willing to bypass integrity though, everyone is responsible for themselves and I have got no free tickets for it, not for anyone.
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Hello Loriwoke, I read up your researches, thank you for sharing them all. In the House of Commons they left it as the charity must bank all of its monies, they seem to believe that it would be a strong part of what they can do here, which is weird to say the least since serious child welfare issues and exploitation of young people are repeatedly brought up, though a quick check up on this
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Hi Light24, Were these experiences that Lisa had shared publicly by her personally? I will not make any assumptions about another’s place after experiencing devastating trauma as you describe, this in itself is a feat to overcome and besides, this element it’s none of my business to talk on, though this does not mean that you cannot make your own informed decisions and choices as you seem to a
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I am sorry to hear that imprisonment is involved, this is a terrible situation to endure. “Facet this also a new age thing teaching what it seems taking no responsibility.. so legal action can not be taken because it is all perception as she teaches ..” These days when I read this sort of statement anywhere, I see it as a great reason to be 100% responsible and to not get involved :-). U
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It seems to be the way things go with manipulation, behind every manipulator is usually another manipulator pulling strings. Someone getting a need met unhealthily, that is then transferred down the strings as a usual thing, a norm, when it isn’t, it’s unusual. It continues on and further manipulated persons ensue. It is difficult to see that it is unusual if that’s the model presented and
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Corey Feldman, former child star has been able to continue a strange presence online, most notably via twitter and gaining a following through semi sharing accusations of sexual abuse in the Hollywood industry. I’m not here to say that these things did or didn’t happen, this is not my place, though what I am here to say is that this following that Corey has gathered appears to regularly be mis
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This whole scenario and business makes me cringe, I hope it’s shut down soon. Apparently, the UK Royals who just left for Canada are planning a similar business, maybe minus scented candles of specific body parts though on the same ‘wellness’ type lines. It is an awful trend which I think is only fuelled by the fact that Gwyneth is free to carry on with hers and despite the BS, hasn’t been
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NLP is a business tool, manipulation of sales, so in a sense it is a form of mind control. PR is also a manipulation tool. Why would any person need to manipulate? Because they are not free themselves. This means that what they are selling, which comes across as various forms of freedom from suffering, is bogus entirely. Ps It’s great to ask around, though remember to make your own conc
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My view her covers all of these type of groups, it’s not a personal thing because it is the same model that they all run on. It’s a business. If this person truly wanted to help in such grand terms as they describe, it wouldn’t cost this much money and most certainly would not be a business. On a brief reading of the home page, straight away it begins with manipulative text that is formed t
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Hello everyone, I wanted to write today about how important it is to feel feelings, especially our fear. I’m not saying that we should all consider taking ourselves into over inflated mind fear oblivion, though more to feel and understand the feeling as it comes up in certain situations and with various people. I know I’m not alone when I say that lots of us who have been involved in cul
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I found the same article, link though enjoy your own researches, you’l find lots! I am no expert either, so same for me. With our differing meditation experiences, and we can expand that to others too, maybe this is where neuroplasticity (our wiring) comes into play. Being unique for each of us, we experience various results with the same interventions.
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zizlz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > One more thing I'd like to add: the abuse of > meditation seems to go hand in hand with > presenting meditation as some kind of panacea for > the psyche. Psychoanalysis helped me become aware > of serious emotional issues I had repressed since > childhood. Before going into psychoanalysis, I had
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Thank you for sharing your finds, I enjoyed reading them. Ok, so with the last article it seems that it is that we are to adapt to stressful situations that we are now faced with? I understand about the heightened activities, though where I am in learning at the moment would be to say that our responses, however heightened, shouldn’t be ignored, which would be a cause of the overproduction
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Hi Zizsls, hope that you are well :-) I am sorry to hear what you have been through. It’s like a big brain invasion isn’t it! I see what you are saying with being more alert, hence less jumpy, however it is that jumpy that is needed to get me the hell out of there if it’s a danger. These days, I couldn’t care if it’s a foolish fight or flight over a necessary one. If someone is walking u
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Heh, where was this guy with his ‘weather control’ skills recently. Bentinho another casualty of some hidden supposed teacher or leader no doubt. I hope that everything turns out ok, if you can stay connected in some way it may be beneficial, if there is ever a time where they start to question you’l be there. Isolation due to lack of connections can keep people in. I am sorry to hear what
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I have to check myself on my last post, I had completely bypassed the fact that Shunyamurti is spotted as a narcissist. In this case he likely won’t come out of anything, only continue to get those unmet needs met in not so great ways. It is so disappointing.
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Hey all, Through experience, cult persons or controllers etc want an empty space to fill. No thinking, less brain activity means more compliance for the one who wishes to manipulate and control. When they say stop thinking, it’s seen as a lovely gesture to get you to relax. It is more about another’s wish to control. Not only in the sense that they may not be able to or want to deal with wh
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> It's a shame that he abuses his skillset for > psychological manipulation. Come to think of it, > his skillset is an ideal one for a cult leader: > years of first-hand experience of Brahma Kumaris's > mind control tactics, a doctorate in psychology, > and a training in hypnosis. Zizlz, it is such a shame agreed. According to the link which states that he help
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Thank you for sharing your valuable experience Garuna. Thank you. I think it takes a lot of courage to do what you have done and write to everyone at the ashram, you did something wonderful for everyone. Although it could take time, your essay will always be something for others to refer to if and when they come to a point where things do not add up. I am thankful for this part of our human na
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Great, thanks for sharing this. Those links will keep me busy through January.
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