Quote"bigdog"While perusing this website, I found threads about some groups that I am familiar with, but have never even heard of most of the LGAT organizations. That is why I wanted to begin my study with a definition. I have found some pretty far out things posted about subjects that I AM familiar with. Some of it is valid, but some of it is just downright untrue. Genera
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QuotebigdogMy observation as an objective outsider is that some of the people here have taken the anti-cult thing into their own "cult" status. A cult of anti-cult people......how strange is that? I think you also need to define 'cult'. A cult of anti-cult people? Please, give us a break! First thing you should asked, especially considering you are a loner and
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QuoteyasminJust a quick comment on a post Fran made on the JC forum,saying that the people on the Rick Ross forum were only worried about private information posted on ex members and had de humanized current members and taken away their rights: Pease re-read the posts. Actually a lot of people: Hello, Apostate, Jack Oscar Lam, me, in various ways supported anonymity for current as well as ex m
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It would seem that the only 'authentic' success for a Lekkie is breaking free of Landmark. The logic behind this is because a typical Lekkie is pretty useless in the 'normal' world. I mean, of all the tens of thousands who have attended forums how many can really say they've achieved a satisfying degree of success? And I mean overall success, not just making more money (a
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Sad, so sad. Sounds like he's just the shell of a man he used to be.
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So predictable, isn't it? Perhaps the reason Landmark doesn't have literature is because it would hardly fill a book. So much of their 'coaching' could be written as a pretty simple formula. But I suppose being a drone implies predictability!
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Loads of good advice here. I think the main point is that you can't expect change. Obviously you don't want to have a friendship based on control, and wanting someone to change is a form of control. I know this sounds harsh because deep down we want the best for our 'loved' ones. Yeah, we can see where our friends are going (straying), but they have to find their own way out.
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QuoteON2 LF ... Its the beginning of the participant becoming detached, unaffected, and conditional toward the people they are supposedly making amends with. That's exactly the point! The phone calls are conditional. I can accept that there are cases where these calls have positive benefits, but when done through the filter of Landmark, they come with a whole bunch of devious expectations.
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QuoteezdoesitBecause if they put "grief, separation and madness," on the banner, no one would sign up. EZ The sad thing is that it doesn't take long for these very qualities to be an integral part of their 'coaching'. I mean, the notions of grief are brought to the fore by the forums expectation to share participant's grief. And if the French doco is anyth
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Zeuszor, I don't think the list of members and ex-members does anything constructive to this cause. In fact, I think it can be very destructive, especially to those ex-members who choose to remain anonymous. Please respect the privacy of others. I strongly believe that a list like this can only be detrimental to the cause at hand, not to mention to those who want to move on away from the JCs
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Graham Smedley seems to be yet another casualty of fantastic thinking courtesy of Landmark. The link is a good example of someone devoid of substance and reason. Yeah, nothing wrong with 'giving peace a chance' but it has that icky evangelical tone with statements like, "Will this bring about world peace? We don't know, all we are saying is give peace a chance."
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But to answer Somnambulance's query...well, how long is a piece of string. Landmark is a cult and cults survive on holding onto their flock. Well, it ends when the unsuspecting person walks away or runs out of money.
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QuoteON2 LFIf repetition of words were as fruitful as the lekkies believe, my repetitious declarations of exposure and legal convictions in the upper echelons of landmarkia would have all been manifested by now... Hey, don't underestimate repetition. The basis for positive (and negative) action/results is through perseverance. I mean, look at what is being achieved right here on this forum
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And these corporate cults dangle a huge, metaphysical, gold-laden carrot for those 'creative' types that are in their professions for similar reasons that LEC exists - to make megabucks and gain more power. The majority of 'creative' people I speak with on a daily basis wouldn't give LEC the time of day. And that is comforting, reassuring. Creative, intelligent people
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QuotecaligariWerner started repurposing started in the 1980's repurposing est. But it still hasn't caught on and hasn't come close to the success of the seminars. While it may appear to be tailor-made for businesses that look at the bottom line of profit. The techniques in Landmark have limited applicability to most businesses. Most businesses depend on some level of ingenu
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Ditto
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It's probably time for a 'lock down' of this thread. Emotions are running pretty hot, Rs. I think any emotionally cool person can see that you've 'chewed off more than you can eat'. So, be careful what you post because in all objectivity you (willingly or unwillingly) started this whole shebang. To try and prove the existance of God is ridiculous. As Bertrand R
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When you open a can of worms...great response, SaneAgain! BTW, Peter Gabriel has always been a great musician (still is - and a great humanitarian, too) but his work with Genesis never really bore much fruit unless you're into that theatrical, LSD kind of 60s sound (which, BTW, isn't always bad, especially with a few tokes). PG really found his voice when he went solo with tunes like
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How can a discussion about Christianity on this thread be off topic when it is titled, 'The Genesis Process is a fantastic deprogramming from LGATs'? When I first saw the thread I was hoping it was about the rock band, Genesis. But alas... Long live the spirit of the debate!
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Thanks for that, Glaucon! The Chaser's War On Everything is the best satire in this country, by far! Well, it's the only thing that gives me hope and laughter on the TV...
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QuoteJohn FoxOkay then. My theory is now ..... "And we would have succeeded if it wasn't for you meddling teenagers!" (Scooby Doo) John Good theory. It's a shame that this 'spam' is getting through, but it's easy to ignore. Unfortunately it means more work for the moderators.
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I'm not questioning YOUR faith. Each to their own. My response was only to state that something like the Genesis Process would be of little interest to me. I can't see much difference between the claims of this Christian organisation and many of the LGATs we are discussing here. I can accept that their agenda is to try and sincerely help those trying to deal with cult programming, bu
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Good for you, RS. It just doesn't ring true with me because I've personally addressed my 'false beliefs' which includes Christianity. I have nothing against the mythological relevance of the Story of Jesus, but I have come to the conclusion that it is ultimately a dead-end road. But, to be fair, like all the world's mythologies Christianity can make claim to some '
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Thanks, Army! That little skit puts things in perspective and it gave me a good laugh. We just need our Chaser Boys to do something similar...and it's probably not too far off!
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With regard to outside moderation of this forum, I think the inhouse moderators do a very good job. There are fair guidelines we all follow or we must suffer the wrath of having to rethink our positions. And these guidelines, I believe, allow for a wide variety of debate and discussion. A note to those who would tighten the thumbscrews even further - where is your sense of compassion. Hey, I p
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Quoteajinajan"Negative" press is one thing, but perhaps this employer and other employers would be interested to hear that the United States Federal Department of Labor had investigated the company for possible Labor Violations, on multiple occassions, and was also investigated twice by the Federal Department of Labor in France, and classified as a "cult" or "sect" b
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And the stories I hear again and again from Lekkies pulling one more recruiting trick out their hats are those involving organisations sending their workers to these forums. There are the classic ones involving the police force, particularily in South America. I think deep down many who get involved are wannabe leaders and they're willing to volunteer their money and time for the promise of
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I recently spoke with an ex-employer who was excited by the prospect of having his employees attend the Landmark Forum. He had just come back from an Intro Night and was going to do more. A lot more! His reasoning was simple. He wanted better productivity. In his words, he was tired of in-house bickering, sick leave and just plain laziness. He envisioned a work team that really worked! Of c
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I wonder how relevant this thread would be if the CO$ didn't have such high-profile members (Tom Cruise, John Travolta, etc, etc). From my experience, years ago, the CO$ was just a funny group of people with wild ideas. The time I'm talking about was the late 70s and 80s when hollywood was making mega-bucks from Star Wars and Close Encounters, and there were dozens of documentaries abou
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The common thread definitely seems to be the blind leading the blind. Every case of LGAT involvement that I know of is initiated by trusted friends and family recruiting trusted friends and family. I don't know if that is very clear. Most recently I met someone who was harping on about the benefits of Landmark solely on the basis that it was his best friend's recommendation to pursue th
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