BTW, do you have any links to news stories, etc. that I can look in to involving this group?
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G'day Malcolm, Yeah, that 'corrected' JC tract was funny. I'll sniff around and see what more I can create, no, discover ... wouldn't it be great, though, if someone could be convinced to stand on a street corner somewhere and hand them out. I reckon the JCs could do with an injection of humour.
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Oppressors of free speech? When has Landmark NOT charged money for their speeches? With regard to LEC close-downs, they will disappear when consumers stop buying their product. Not an easy thing to do when we can't even stop filling our shopping baskets with processed crap. When we're unwilling to do basic research into companies exploiting workers, the environment and eveything in b
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Sounds serious. I personally have no sympathy for organised religion, especially Christianity, but there is no excuse for violence. However if there is any group that has issues with another group it has to be these two. Obviously Pagans and Wiccans have no love for the tyrannical Christian past that pillaged, raped and annihilated their heritage, but, as I said, there is no excuse for this behav
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QuoteON2 LFHow do you apply logic to a part of your humanity that was never meant to thrive or be understood by that brand of logic? I don't fully understand what you're asking, ON2 LF. But assuming that you're talking about the 'soul' of humanity, the 'only' way I know to feed and nuture my soul is through self-expression, i.e. music, writing, drawing, etc. I
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QuoteON2 LF ... whether there was ever a genuine friendship there. Bullshit isn't always powerful enough to pit a friend against another. I think I over estimated my friend's loyalty to me. I over estimated the quality of the friendship. I can only use my own idea of what being a friend is, to measure by. I think I took the friendship a bit more seriously than my friend did. If not, I w
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All good stuff here. LONG LIVE THE SPIRIT OF THE DEBATE! The above lists by MartinH and Impacted are good blueprints to use in any type of relationship, especially with a 'training' institute. I personally don't care if it's Landmark, a church, a school or club - all I ask from any of these organisations is accountability. Isn't that the basic assumption we must all live
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Obviously, I can't wait. More dry twigs for the bonfire! When will they learn? Oh, I forgot - all this hullabaloo is meant to be about educating us imbeciles ...
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Is it a form of denial? What Landmark and its graduates have is a relationship. I think many of the dynamics of a 'normal' relationship apply to one between LEC (Landmark Education Corporation) and Lekkies (Landmark folk). The type of relationship an individual has with this corporation is going to vary according to many factors. The integrity of a relationship is built on many princ
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QuotemydogfidoWhat are Lekkies? Landmark graduates, apologists; also known as Landmarkians (obviously from the land of Landmarkia). Derived from Trekkies, ie Star Trek fundamentalists ...
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I think the analysis of why mostly young people join the JCs has to include the notion (from the other thread) that they are seeking a father figure. Suppose that many of the JC acolytes are from "disfunctional" backgrounds (disfunctual in this context is pretty sparse). Anyway, I think many cultish groups are led by older, father figure types and these "communities" mostly at
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She doesn't know her place in the larger picture yet, but #36 is seated in the front row, taking mental notes and recording the whole sordid affair on video for an Australian news channel. The tiny camera captures endless footage of the 'light bulb' drama. When the footage is aired it causes tremors throughout the Australian organisation and it has to retreat for awhile to New Z
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Landmarkia also reminds me of The Stepford Wives. The Stepford children creating a perfect reality disguising a ticking bomb ...
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QuoteAtomicCat:roll: Who determines the "hate" in "hate group"? I suppose you have to define 'hate' in that context. I think every individual or group experiences and/or expresses levels of hate and/or hostility towards someone, something or some idea. I don't think you can apply the term 'hate group' to an organised body just beca
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Thanks for the firsthand account of 'staying' with the JCs, Zeuszor. From my limited experience a typical JC is somewhat reserved and/or wary. It's either because a group like the JCs attracts that sort of person (submissive) or because they've been 'trained' to watch each other for slip ups (these are then reported back to Father Dave, no doubt). I suspect t
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QuoteVic-LucWOW. They do a great job of creating...human replicants. HUMAN REPLICANTS. I've heard this story from everyone who has done it. Nothing unique. ALL transformed into the same thing. Do they know they're replicants? How does a replicant know it is synthetic? When does it stop caring. Sounds like Bladerunner. Unfortunately, LEC replicants don't have a four year life span
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You have to give her plenty of room. But don't compromise yourself. If you've made a time to be together and it is usurped by Landmark, just work within the normal limits. Walk out and give her a dirty look. If you get a chance to explain yourself just tell her plainly how you felt. Maybe give her another chance. Be sensitive to any patterns that may be developing and state your grievan
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QuoteON2 LFI wouldn't put a lekkie in jail, I'd just quarantine them for a while, and treat them with huge doses of sleep, food, and reality. Very good advice.
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QuoteON2 LFOne size and one philosophy DOES NOT do the trick. That's my belief, too. ON2 LF, some really good responses! I think boonetahoe has found something that helps validate his/her journey. That's great, but it's obviously a bad strategy to post pro-LGAT stuff here. Always good to hear 'success' stories.
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And nothing wrong in the right context to want a 'helping hand' or 'pat on the back'. I suppose it's a kind of dance. You can't lead all the time, but you can't be a dead weight, either. With regard to 'knowing ourselves', I don't mean for this to be set in stone. In fact, a 'petrified' psychology is certain cause for an early death (
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QuoteON2 LFQuoteBe a pillar first and then find your church, club, community. That's the hard part though, if we could be pillars first, we wouldn't need anyone else. The truth is, we become pillars on the strength and nurture of other people, that's just how we're made, no one stands alone and remains strong. I don't think that's right. Sure, many who join organ
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And number 11 to try and recruit more 'light bulb' changers ...
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QuoteMartinH... at this point comes the STRIKING Landmark argument. Landmark is not about the truth or discussing who is right ... it is about something else, nonlinear learning or so ... and the course goes on, no issue is ever discussed. Even the sharpest-knives are simply shut down. The knife is blunt because Landmark can't find the whet stone (sharpener). You see, an organisation, jus
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QuoteajinajanFive little words describe the type of action and serious inquiry that is needed - United States Department of Labor . It will certainly help. Every little morsel will help. Education is a huge factor, but hugely complex and costly (nonetheless, it should always be a spending priority). More needs to be done at a fundamental learning stage to help us to 'better think'
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Landmark Fundraising. Isn't that a tautology? I mean, what else do they do, really? A slightly off-the-wall analogy might be that LEC are trying the old Bill Gates method to success. As we all know (and taking nothing from the guy), Gates built his empire on a bunch of code that has become the backbone of what many of us do, i.e. use computers. Clever Gates (with help from his frien
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With regard to LEC and The Matrix, nothing new here. An organism like LEC does what it can to borrow 'ideas' and brand them their own. Part of the give away is how closely they hold their own so-called technologies/techniques to their chests. It is no surprise that LEC, like EST and CO$, are a mish mash of 'whatever works' to rake in the cash. If LEC was to be personified -
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Hey folks, it's fine to feel sorrow and mistrust. We have to get burnt, cut and spat upon occassionally to learn about personal boundaries. As a species we're very sensitive on so many levels. A kind of sensitivity that will either turn us to stone or mush. But I think it's about pushing forward. I mean, is there another option? Yeah, cry and scream and hurt, but there'll a
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It's just plain stupid, really. Yeah, dangerous like acid to a sponge, but given two minutes of 'time out' to think about it and you see it's just plain ridiculous. What I don't know? Fine, but just don't sell me anything. Smoke and mirrors. Landmark is a circus. If you look into 'their' eyes long enough you can forget to question a lot more than this ri
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Quoteprivate eyesFran, is a 30 something male, not a she. Francisco GONZALES is married to Kim. My apologise. Still shameful, though! :oops:
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Quote"Vic-Luc He probably paid them to take the shell too. :cry: Look on the bright side, when he wants it back it'll be lying in the back room, covered in dust with all the others, dressed in a SALE's sticker. That's if he's got any money left ...
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