Yeh, IB, I also experienced that "childish feeling" when I was a kid. I used to love going to church, saying my prayers, chanting on rosary beads! From the age of about 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, it was certainly a magic feeling and I wonder if the Haribol kids are experiencing this as well. But in my day, it was not a forced thing... in other words I chanted on rosary beads be
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thanks, again, IB, for news from Australia and your insight into what is happening over there! Very interesting stuff and definitely food for thought. ALUMINUM FOIL (also known as TIN FOIL) Earlier on in this forum, several members were questioning what is the purpose of the tin foil that FL seems to be obsessed with and covering his walls with. I think I may have found the answer.
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I'm surprised the Fearless Leader has not become paranoid about the "chemtrails" theory, seeing as how he is so concerned about the quality of the air... I met a guy a couple of weeks ago who was going on and on about these chemtrails, saying that the government was polluting the air with airborne diseases, etc., and to tell you the truth, I THOUGHT HE WAS CRAZY... However, f
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QuoteI believed"Kids that were aged above five that were presented to him by at least one loyalist parent were initiated since Siddha considers five the age where one is supossed to become serious about their spiritual life (no more toys, having to start to do all their rounds etc.)" ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE ! This is news to me, and unbelievable. Forcing a five year old child to &q
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Yes, Dassi, eerily similar to what is happening with $iddha and his followers. "They may rationalize the abuse they suffer as evidence that they are priviliged, and tough enough to see the guru's cruelty as actually a blessing and that anyone concerned about cruelty is either ungrateful or a weak and unworthy worm." This example is 100% of what is happening in Science of Ide
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Yeh, Quotesman, I remember reading that verse from Bhagavatam many many years ago... and I remember thinking how this contradicted how the Fearless Leader was focusing so heavily on politics. I guess I turned a blind eye to it. I suppose all his flock of sheep are turning a blind eye to all this nonsensicality... __________ I believe they changed the format of this forum to stop spammers
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Come on, folks, there are hundreds of people viewing this thread every day ... how come no-one else wants to make any comments, or give any info? We seem to have approached this subject from every angle possible, and we may have run out of things to say, maybe? Here's another angle that can be looked into, though: It amazes me that $iddha and his flock are openly supporting the Bu
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Yo, Dona Nobis Pacem... Give Us Some Peace! Yup, any up-to-date info would be appreciated. A lot of the info on this forum is 20 or 30 years old!
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HOLY SMOKE! ... Just watched a relevant movie called 'Holy Smoke' The movie is about an Australian girl (!) who goes to India and joins a religious cult. Her family want her back and trick her into coming back to Australia by telling her that her father is dying. They get a deprogrammer from USA and most of the movie depicts the 3 days that the deprogrammer spends with the girl.
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Yeh, Quotesman, you nailed it about FL getting things backwards. ESPECIALLY in regard to fanning the good and overlooking the bad... This is definitely one of the biggest differences between ACB and FL ... ACB was constantly calling his followers pure devotees, whereas FL is constantly condemning them as *a**holes* . In this way, he is kind of nullifying his own purpose and his whole mission
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Quotehoax108 Here is some food for thought from "The Imitation of Christ" which, by the way, is the second most read book by Christians, next to the bible: "The man who dwells in perfect peace suspects evil of noone. The man who is discontented and disgruntled has a heart filled with suspicion; he himself has no rest nor does he allow others to possess it.&quot
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Quotehoax108Stoke108, As for charging people for his remnants - wait until Quotesman reads that. I can hear him laughing already. Can you imagine, Jesus healing the sick and then presenting the family with a bill afterwards. The most absurd thing I've ever heard of. :D Yeh, I'm sure he's not the only laughing ... that's pretty funny! If SOI ever do a re-make of the m
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Yes, the most popular thread on this forum "Krishna Group in Hawaii" seems to be helpful for a lot of people. I cannot speak for some of the other threads, but yes, I'm sure a lot of people are being helped there as well. :wink:
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:D Yeah! comic relief! Did you hear about that devotee who got nicknamed "Sputnik"? why Sputnik? Because he was the first to break away from the guru's gravity... :wink:
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Thanks for posting these letters, Quotesman. Oh dear, it's easy to see how religious wars get started, isn't it? QuoteIt's very painful that my gurudev and my godbrothers and godsisters are thinking this way about me and have thus condemned me. One godbrother has even expressed a threat to beat me up. Enough said. The fact that a "gang" of FL's disci
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QuoteDassiOkay. Enough. There are over a hundred pages from all different angles about FL and his little cult. (I'm not suggesting that the discussion should end). But now what? What is theSOLUTION? Can we discuss and FOCUS ON SOLUTIONS for: The children still in the cult? Members who want to reform things? People who want out but are afraid? How would you advise these people?
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QuoterrmoderatorLet's wait and hear from others on this board. What do others here think of the letters being posted? yes, I personally think the letter should be posted. I have read this letter on another website a long time ago, and in my opinion there is proof within this letter of Butler's paranoid mentality, and of his not knowing what the true situation was (i.e. that the
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Akhenatan said: QuoteSometimes I wonder if just for one goddamn cottonpicking moment Chris Butler will ever stop in the middle of stuffing vegetarian food down his mouth and think about how many lives he has destroyed. Even if for just one spelling mistake, will he stop for one minute his political activities, his money making activities and all other things. What goes around: listen t
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QuoteDassiOkay. Enough. There are over a hundred pages from all different angles about FL and his little cult. (I'm not suggesting that the discussion should end). But now what? What is theSOLUTION? Can we discuss and FOCUS ON SOLUTIONS for: The children still in the cult? Members who want to reform things? People who want out but are afraid? How would you advise these people?
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QuoteRegarding the restaurant, why they should get salary? There should be no salary. You are working without salary, so why they should take. They are not very important men. So after this month arrange for no one to get any salary there. That will be nice. A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami :( Yikes - whatever happened to "we are all equal in the eyes of God"? What about th
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QuoteterrenautI was searching for more info and came across this. It was interesting, and the comments refer back to this forum if this has been posted before, my apologies. Thanks for posting this. I see that they mentioned a link to this thread on that blog. This thread seems to be turning a few heads around the world, not only in Hawaii with Sid's political foes, but also with
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THE STORY OF TOMMY GUN TULSI (Or: A Really Crude Story) Now Tommy Gun Tulsi was a really good kid But she went and got brainwashed – oh, yes she did Her guru, it seems, of the left wing got bored Said defending America is pleasing to the Lord And so they gave her the famous Tommy Gun (Oh, my goodness – it was a really big one!) And then they sent her off to the war America needs cr
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QuoteatheistThe Honolulu Advertiser recently did a series of four articles about charities and regulation of charities in Hawaii. The Science of Identity Foundation is one of the charities listed. Here is the information provided for the Science of Identity Foundation: Organization Science Of Identity Foundation Address PO Box 27450 City Honolulu Phone (808) 533-0277 Tax year ending
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QuotequotesmanMore on sannyasa: .... To go further and imply the sannyasa ashram is out of date really reeks of sahajiyaism. To take sannyasa and then give it up so easily is taking things very cheaply... thanks for explaining this so eloquently, Quotesman! All of Sid's followers should contemplate these statements very closely! Seems like the marriage vows were taken very che
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Quotehoax108Fascinating posts regarding FLs relationship. or lack thereof, with ACB. I also recall hearing lectures in which he criticized devotees for wanting to go to India on a pilgrimage. The line was something like," you've got your guru, just focus on serving me, what do you need to go to India for?" Maybe he was afraid that they would discover true Vaishnavas.
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QuoteAkhenatenQueen of Hearts: Who's been painting my roses red? WHO'S BEEN PAINTING MY ROSES RED? /Who dares to taint / With vulgar paint / The royal flower bed? / For painting my roses red / Someone will lose his head. Card Painter: Oh please, your majesty, please! It's all his fault! Card Painter: Not me, your grace! The ace, the ace! Queen of Hearts: You? Card Painter:
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“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire. "I do not agree with what you have to say, and I'll cut your tongue out if you say it." - Sid. :lol: :lol:
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QuoteDassi I used to like the unplugged kirtans (As a woman- 10 times more enjoyment. It pays to be “10 times more lusty” -- HA HA!) :lol: And some of the devotee recordings too Devavani YOU were GREAT! Loved the la, la, la! Even the first ISKCON album was cool! Even Chris’s album was sweet. What happened to the creative times FL!? They died. I still listen to all kinds of wo
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Quotequotesman I think for some of us it was actually torture to force ourselves to go to a gathering and chant. Hey bro, I can totally relate to that statement. Especially in Honolulu at the famous "headquarters" Seems that there was such a hierarchy developing then. It was quite uncomfortable and it was a relief to get out! One outsider came into a rambunctiou
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Quotehoax108 Regarding the homophobia - before I left I remember some lectures that were quite explicit. Apparently this is getting worse. Is this consistent with his technique of propping up straw dogs and knocking them down? I remember an earlier poster commenting quite nicely on this technique of his but I can't recall who the poster was. That poster was none other than Zelig! :w
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