QuoteatheistThe Honolulu Advertiser recently did a series of four articles about charities and regulation of charities in Hawaii. The Science of Identity Foundation is one of the charities listed. Here is the information provided for the Science of Identity Foundation: Organization Science Of Identity Foundation Address PO Box 27450 City Honolulu Phone (808) 533-0277 Tax year ending
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QuotequotesmanMore on sannyasa: .... To go further and imply the sannyasa ashram is out of date really reeks of sahajiyaism. To take sannyasa and then give it up so easily is taking things very cheaply... thanks for explaining this so eloquently, Quotesman! All of Sid's followers should contemplate these statements very closely! Seems like the marriage vows were taken very che
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Quotehoax108Fascinating posts regarding FLs relationship. or lack thereof, with ACB. I also recall hearing lectures in which he criticized devotees for wanting to go to India on a pilgrimage. The line was something like," you've got your guru, just focus on serving me, what do you need to go to India for?" Maybe he was afraid that they would discover true Vaishnavas.
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QuoteAkhenatenQueen of Hearts: Who's been painting my roses red? WHO'S BEEN PAINTING MY ROSES RED? /Who dares to taint / With vulgar paint / The royal flower bed? / For painting my roses red / Someone will lose his head. Card Painter: Oh please, your majesty, please! It's all his fault! Card Painter: Not me, your grace! The ace, the ace! Queen of Hearts: You? Card Painter:
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“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire. "I do not agree with what you have to say, and I'll cut your tongue out if you say it." - Sid. :lol: :lol:
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QuoteDassi I used to like the unplugged kirtans (As a woman- 10 times more enjoyment. It pays to be “10 times more lusty” -- HA HA!) :lol: And some of the devotee recordings too Devavani YOU were GREAT! Loved the la, la, la! Even the first ISKCON album was cool! Even Chris’s album was sweet. What happened to the creative times FL!? They died. I still listen to all kinds of wo
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Quotequotesman I think for some of us it was actually torture to force ourselves to go to a gathering and chant. Hey bro, I can totally relate to that statement. Especially in Honolulu at the famous "headquarters" Seems that there was such a hierarchy developing then. It was quite uncomfortable and it was a relief to get out! One outsider came into a rambunctiou
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Quotehoax108 Regarding the homophobia - before I left I remember some lectures that were quite explicit. Apparently this is getting worse. Is this consistent with his technique of propping up straw dogs and knocking them down? I remember an earlier poster commenting quite nicely on this technique of his but I can't recall who the poster was. That poster was none other than Zelig! :w
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Quoteterrenaut Either JG is wrong, in which case Vaishnavism is also wrong, or JG is right and Vaishnavism is a terrible thing. JG HAS to address this. It is a mess. And where are the local disciples on this? What has happened to their spiritual vision that they are also upholding too many aberrations? Again, either they are deliberately turning a blind eye or they actually agree. Both of t
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QuoteDassi A lot of us who were "initiated" were asked to put on programs in our neck of the woods. This meant that we serve cookies, play a few chords on the guitar, give a talk, get people to chant. No videos when I did this - only audio tapes. Awful audio tapes... ...Sidd putting down old people, Christians, Bhuddhists. This predates the homo-phobo-robot stuff.
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Quotequotesman Was Purusottama a good man? I think so. But I do believe he was also deluded and illusion about many things including seeing Krishna in the park, which he claimed to have seen and was chastised by fearless leader for saying it. This episode reminds me of the phenomenon of people seeing statues weeping, or seeing blood coming out of the body of Jesus on a crucifix. Apparently t
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Quoteterrenaut Anyway, I find the constant references to homosexuality really disturbing. On every lecture tape it seems to come up, in graphic and disturbing detail, for what purpose? to shock and offend? why is homosexuality singled out as the prime offense in the material world? Are there no other problems out there? Why are young kids being encouraged to think in terms of hate, in the instanc
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QuoteDassiAnyone remember the Phil Donohue Show? Sidd tried to imitate his style in the first video attempts. It was absolutely hilarious. Sidd running around a crowd with a microphone. Trouble is that the format was too egalitarian and pluralistic for a Dominatrix Guru. Yeh, I remember that. :lol: When that didn't work, he tried to follow Oprah Winfrey's format - except mo
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QuoteterrenautI agree that the order not to 'gossip' is a huge red flag. I have seen an innocent query "oh, where is so-and-so these days?" get blown up into a huge 'offense', when all people are doing is inquiring how their friends are doing. "Not allowed to have friends ... having friends is so, well, materialistic! After all, Krishna is our on
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Quoteterrenaut Purushottam das was a good man, very well known, and most people will know the above is not true. By saying these things, it puts all your other 'facts' in jeopardy also. terre Yo, Terre, you are right ... I stand corrected! This forum should not be a place for gossip... could be a case of typing before thinking! :oops: Hopefully, Purusottam has moved on to a
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QuotequotesmanThis stuff is cracking me up. What about the sunglasses while sitting on the vyasasana? Yea right, thats the ticket, fearless leader is some kind of groovy cool guru who wears sunglasses indoors. Hes so cool he doesn’t care what the audience thinks. I mean shoot the lights he has shone on himself are so blinding he has to wear sunglasses!!! Were we really part of that? Gosh this
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Quotehoax108 One last item - one video he had Patrick Bishop (Purushottam das - God rest his soul) dressed in drag and JG talking to him about his mistaken identity and he/she is not the body. And this was way before Jerry Springer - what a pioneer of real TV. Yeh, I saw Purushottam das dressed like a woman ... that guy loved to act! He was once in the gossip column of the Honolulu Daily, say
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Glad to see you laughing, Quotesman... :lol: :lol: :lol: The Yes-Men (Coming Soon, PG-13, some scenes of offensive nature) A scenic, lowly place in the Philippines is home to young students from different parts of the world. They are not exactly mutants but close. Because here, they are trained just to be like that - to be unlike other children - spoiled, obnoxious, precocious, curious,
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The movie ideas seem never-ending! Here's a few more! Lies my Guru told me (Drama, PG-13) A story of love and happiness; of truth and liberation; of knowledge and God; of purity and humility. In the end all these promises turn out to be all lies. A moving drama from the eyes of a disciple who has given up everything to follow the path of an enlightened guru to a dark end. The J
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Quotequotesman ... Am I the only one who perceived this type of fanatic puritanical consciousness within the group? There was definitely a lot of right wing fanatical puritanical consciousness within the cult. The anti-ISKCON sentiment was very strong. No shaved heads, no bead bags, no robes, and definitely no chanting Hare Krishna in the street. Exactly the opposite of what ACB instructed
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QuoteRama Das (slave name) There is a steady supply of lectures going out on C.D. still, to all the disciples. I listened to as many as I could a couple of years ago when I was last at my parent's place... all far worse than you could imagine. Yo, Rama, welcome back... I have heard one of the recent lectures on CD, yes, definitely lacks the pizaz of the earlier lectures. My impression
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How about this for a movie title: SAI SUCKS The story of a guru who sucks the life out of his followers. The followers are indoctrinated and brainwashed into spending their whole life with unrelenting guilt and grief. They are made to feel guilty for eating, sleeping, having any sexual libido, or even smiling and laughing. Many of them are depressed and suicidal. The guru sucks all
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QuoteDassiI remember the "Gift Wrapped Emptiness" booklet and radio broadcast. It pissed a lot of people off! They called into the radio station to complain. It was so negative and put everyone on a bummer. But Sid liked doing this to people. This is so true! I used to have the "Gift Wrapped Emptiness" lecture on video and I certainly lost a few frie
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Quotehoax108Speaking of Satya Sai Baba... I remember that we weren't allowed to offer Nag Champa incense to the deities because apparently the manufacturers were devotees of Sai Baba and offered all their products to him. Now I burn it all the time because I really like it. No more crazy rules. Oh, Yeah, I remember the crazy rules! Probably they will tell you that smelling incens
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Quotequotesman As far as FL being dead???? I think Fearless Leader is still alive and croaking. But I think he ran out of anything new to say long ago and that could be the reason for no new videos. :lol: It seems that anything new he has to say is connected either to homosexuality or some weird political ideas, like USA should invade Canada! :(
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QuotequotesmanIn fact not even one of fearless leaders followers is a Biblical scholar. Especially Jivan is NOT a biblical scholar. I think there is another follower in the P.I. they promote as a Biblical scholar too. Don't know who that is, but have heard it through the grapevine. I think he is in charge in the Phillipines. No, they are not Biblical scholars anymore than they are Vedic sch
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Quoteatheist ... It seems to me that there could be a book about this, perhaps several. There could be a PBS-TV documentary and a "60 Minutes" segment. Why not a documentary film? Magazine articles in Harpers, Atlantic Monthly, Vanity Fair. Yeh, a TV documentary would be interesting. However, it might be difficult to get enough film footage together to do a really good
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Sid's cult can be compared to a CHESS GAME: THE KING: Sid himself. Infallible. The whole game revolves around him. THE QUEEN: The Queen Bee. The most powerful piece on the board. THE 2 BISHOPS: Jeannie and John. THE 2 KNIGHTS: The bodyguards. THE 2 CASTLES: Sid's multi-million dollar mansion homes. THE PAWNS: The poor folk who sacrifice their lives for the king.
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QuoteDassi We were in the cult at different times and witnessed different things, but all left for the same reasons. We all found Chris Butler to be a narcissistic fraud and not a true spiritual master. Yes, the group can give you a purpose in life, a sense of belonging and acceptance, a new culture, a feeling of complete self righteousness and clarity about everything in life. It is all v
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:lol: I can't stop laughing. Thinking of that hilarious scene in the "Life of Brian" where the centurion is busting the Roman soldiers for laughing every time he mentions his friend "Biggus Dickus" ... the poor soldier is trying to control his laughter but when he mentions his wife's name "Vagina Maxima" the poor soldier can'
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