There was a man from Oahu Who lived in a mansion or two Yahoo! He worships the Lord while on his surf board and lives off wild rice and tofu! :lol: This is how Siddha's followers pray when they go into a Catholic church: Hail Takahini, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb: Chibby, Chubby, Sneezy, Grumpy,
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QuoteWorried Any way don’t trust em, don’t give them an inch. Don’t let your children your wife your husband any where near them unless of course your idea for your loved one is a life of making money for some dude in robe with rice stuck to his head! How cool a life is that … you die old with no money and he dies with hordes of it . How Holy can one be . Dear Worried! I think the
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Quotesuzi Can a new devotee actually meet Chris Butler? On second thoughts... if she is not a big money maker and if she is not politically active, I think the chances of meeting Chris will be remote. :cry:
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QuotekathDoesn't seem much more substance to that message than 'don't be nasty, be nice' like all other channelled messages. Plus it being deliberately vague so it means something to everyone. But maybe I am not the intended recipient :) YES, exactly - NOT MUCH SUBSTANCE AND RATHER VAGUE... I was hoping for some technological advancement that would put an end to h
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Quotecber7 You are being preyed upon by phonies-- very clever, manipulative, and charming (when they need to be) frauds. They crave three things-- money, power, and a sense of self-importance-- to excess. Any shred of self-doubt about their motives and behavior disappeared long ago-- they have convinced themselves that they are superior to you and others, further justifying their need for power,
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Quotemr.ufo For many years now I have been the recipient of intelligence from beyond the borders of our universe. ( Alien intelligence, if you like.) My assignment is to receive this intelligence and deliver it to those who wish to hear it. I would like to hear what this alien intelligence has to say to our planet! I wonder if their message is to stop manufacturing bombs and bullets and to
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Quotebogus_hunterSo, it's my understanding that Wai Lana is Chris Butler's current wife. Is this indeed correct? Yes - they have been married for over 20 years, and I beleive they are still together. He made her into a famous yoga teacher through his recording studio, and somewhat of a rock star!
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QuotesuziMy daughter left on her own, (as far as we know, she was not asked to leave the ashram) in a poor state of mental health. I have gotten my hands of some of CB pamphlets and I can understand her struggle. How can anyone be a contributing entity of our (physical) society and feel good about it if you have read his writings? He really must believe there are no good people in society. From
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QuotesuziI would love to see the tape of Chris Butler. How can I get my hands on this? I have been sifting through some of your letters and all has been helpful. I have a daughter that has been home for 4 months after 5 years in an ashram. She is a mess and not willing to talk about it. Looking for advice. What does haribol mean? When do devotees take on a new name? Can a new devotee actu
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:arrow: Now running out of ideas for the last stanza about the person they call Siddhaswarupananda (now promoted from mere swami to paramahamsa) and his Californian extravaganza. Here's one: you could work as his unpaid limo driver But you'd have to survive as a dumpster diver! And if stories like this are starting to annoy ya We also have tales of extreme paranoia and pe
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Quotesuzi How can I find this video. Need help to convince my daughter, who is home and a mess after 5 years of living in one of their communes? I need what ever I can find and I am not finding a lot. A desperate mother. suzi I think I may have a copy of this video tape - I have left you a private message on this forum. After you have posted 10 messages on this forum you will be ab
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Back by popular demand! HORIBUL RAP- VERSE 2 Now if you analyze his family tree It all started out in the bramajyoti and though AC Bhakti said "No Electrification" Meanwhile Siddha's out rocking the nation And cooking and yoga all over TV with magnanimous people like Katyayani and the chick from Hong Kong - yeh real nice Except she was cold - as cold as ice Abandon
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HARIBUL RAP:-) (to be sung in rap style) Siddha's got the power To make you bow down - to make you cower with the Science of Identity and some hyper-religiosity he's the teacher of the whole world from Iceland to Rwanda It's siddha, siddha, siddha, Siddhaswarupananda He'll turn you into his cook - a cooking machine If you're late with the food, he gets mighty
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QuotekrishnakidI can't say much without giving my identity away. I was a Krishna kid. I grew up in the middle of it. I was in the school in Samoa that Mike Gabbard (Krishna Katha) ran. Later they moved the school to the Phillipines and some other disciple took over. Most of the stuff I read here is accurate, some might be out-of-date. I think some of the names mentioned might have left
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Quotewhitemoon What they dont understand is that it is the simple person, the basic form of life, that keeps them and this planet going ... all the bureaucrats, all the karmis, all the meat eaters, we keep you on the road, we keep your administrative systems going, we keep your food and stinkin vegetables in the stores, we keep your roads roadworthy, we pay your taxes, we keep your lights on at
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Quotezelig... I am also interested in the people who had the strength to leave and why. Also, many people suffered after-effects that lasted for years after leaving the group. Yes - after-effects that lasted for years after leaving the group: In my case, although I left Honolulu in 1985, there were many after effects for at least 15 years after that, including a divorce directly re
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Hi Eric, See the link "Krishna Group in Hawaii" in the Forum Index for more details of Chris Butler and his group.
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Quoteshanti Were you around for the warehouse days in Honolulu? I remember at one point right before I left the island, walking through metal detector doorways that had newly been installed, like at an airport, to get through the door leading down the hall to the main room. Yes, Chris' safety was taken VERY seriously. I don't know if there had been lots of threats on his life...but wou
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Quoteshanti I have personally seen Chris put on an Army jacket & cap to go into a local store on Kauai to cash some kind of welfare check, saying to all in the car...'they'll cash this even without I.D. because I have on this uniform, these karmis, they love this soldier stuff.' ...and laugh it up big time with all there. Yep, we duped them again! This could explai
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Quoteshanti[ Okay...the "Chinese chick" .... So, he literally took this woman from her husband & 3 children & brought her back with him to Hawaii! Believe it or not... that was somehow OK with most everyone at the time. Unbelievable now, but true at the time. At that time I never knew she was married with three children. I thought that she was a single woman
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QuoterrmoderatorSunglider: Your repeated refrain that there was no "brainwashing" in the group and that people made their own independent decisions without undue influences demonstrates this. For a long time I did not like the word "BRAINWASHING" and I would convince myself that i was never, ever "Brainwashed".... however, looking back at all that happened, I
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Quotewhitemoon. Of course, this has no parallel at all with all the self interested Christians who want to escape the fiery wraths of hell and book their seat in cushy Heaven. Just no comparison at all, these Christians (spiritually less advanced) just want to look after themselves and ensure their own "salvation", while the devotees have no ulterior motives at all, yessir! No, they jus
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Quoteshanti ... Yes, they guard HIM quite seriously. I know for a fact, his body guards carry guns. No rumor, fact...I know these people. Sounds more like a bunch of gangsters than a religious organization? :shock:
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Quotesunglider... But Chris is phony just the same, and his problem is he preaches austerity and he's supposedly Christ-like, that's what he made his followers to believe. REGARDING SIDDHA AND CHRISTIANITY: It is true that Siddha teaches some of the same things that Jesus taught in the Bible - i.e. the first and foremost commandment is to LOVE GOD, and also things like THOU SHAL
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QuotewhitemoonA real representative of God, would never have chosen 5 kid molestors as his chief captains to carry on after he died, the old bugger was deluded ... OUCH! This is a good point, though, raising questions such as: 1. Were these so-called big swamis just power seekers from the moment they joined the movement, and just pulling the wool over A.C. Bhaktivedanta's eyes for s
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Hi Sunglider, There was another album by Siddha called "Mantra Electric" and this was pretty good also with some great guitar licks. I also remember that we were not allowed to listen to "This World/Another World" even though it was then available for sale in the stores... we were told that this was "sense gratification"!!!! Siddha's music career has co
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Hi Brainstormer... There certainly seems to be some truth to what you say about hyper-religiosity and hallucinations. There was a case of some members of the Krishna group who claimed that they saw Krishna on their altar or even walking in the park. I believe that these people were having hallucinations like you have mentioned in your posts. The term "hyper-religiosity" certa
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Hi supermonkey! Regarding eating meat: The Haris believe that every living being is an "atma" (rough translation is "spirit soul") and there are different degrees of consciousness for every species. For example humans, apes, cats, dogs, dolphins, whales, etc, have quite advanced consciousness and hence many people in North America and Europe will consider it immoral or ev
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Hi Maui: thanks for some of the history of ISKON ... Stories of people who started off maybe in a religious state of mind but as time progressed, stories of power, control, manipulation, money, madness and some bizarre horror stories. It certainly makes one question the validity of their religious process. It seems as if people who are dependent on others for their livelihood and who fo
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:wink: Thanks, Regina, for posting the link to Mindy's Journal. At last we hear about what is happening on the Big Island! A very well written and description of life on the Noni Farm!... Thanks!
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