QuoteAkhenatenWhere is Diana the Huntress who pointed a conspirational finger at everyone here except for herself. She tore down the integrity of Mr Z, accused everyone of being a conspirator, dominated the board for weeks, and bullied everyone away. Then she herself, dipped out, bowed out, and said that she wanted nothing to do with her own agenda or the website she herself started. He
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Quotejust-googlingQuoteterrenaut Either JG is wrong, in which case Vaishnavism is also wrong, or JG is right and Vaishnavism is a terrible thing. JG HAS to address this. It is a mess. And where are the local disciples on this? What has happened to their spiritual vision that they are also upholding too many aberrations? Again, either they are deliberately turning a blind eye or they actuall
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QuoteterrenautQuoteThis stuff is all in the folio How does one read this folio? It can be purchased. You may also try to get a copy of Hari Sauri's Diary "A Transcendental Diary". There is some pretty revealing stuff said by him. Of course those inside the cult will say all these negative things said are all made up. But I can tell you from personal experience af
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - another good point about FL (I now refer to him as such) with regards to marrying his disciple. Didn't Lord Nityananda get married and have kids later on? Seems to ring a bell with me. I was quite amazed at the strong evidence that FL never followed the instructions of ACB. In his lectures he always made it seem that he was so devoted to him. But then he had to
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Quote"Dassi"Quotequotesman PS- It is so refreshing to have a civil forum where people can exchange ideas without being jammed or driven off! thanks to all of you who are playing nice on this forum! I know I am not the only one who appreciates it. Ditto :D
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QuoteDassiQuotequotesman Leaving Fearless Leader does not mean leaving spiritual life, in fact for some it may be the beginning of their spiritual life. THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMENT! I no longer follow the Vaishnava system, but respect any one, religious or not who lives a righteous life; Being kind to animals and children, Doing good works or charity for others, works on improving them
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - another good point about FL (I now refer to him as such) with regards to marrying his disciple. Didn't Lord Nityananda get married and have kids later on? Seems to ring a bell with me. . I think I may be treading on thin ice here and do not want to get into trouble with Rick Ross and others for preaching but I think some things must be mentioned in order to quali
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - excellent post. Great point about Arjuna. Christ expressed his doubts quite clearly in the "Agony in the Garden". He also decided to do God's will. Which brings up the point of similarity of mystical thought. All religions are very similar in their foundational teachings - loving and serving God, freeing yourself from material entanglements, pr
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QuoteterrenautQuote I do not mean to preach here but I have to say what the proper method is and how far Fearless Leader and his cult following have strayed from it. I hope this does not offend anyone. There are Vaishnavas coming forward and they do need help. Yes, there are Vaishnavas coming forward, not just doubting but leaving too. In another post Harry asked what do people want to achieve
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To qualify my last post. Some like hoax and zelig went back to more western traditional spirituality. Some gave up spiritual life. Some became atheist. Some agnostics. But practically everyone will agree they are better off away from Fearless Leader. In every religion cults spring up and Vaishnavism is no different. The fact of the matter is Fearless Leader represents a very tiny fraction of wha
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Harry bol, the bottom line is Fearless Leader (no I DO NOT call him jagad guru because he IS NOT a jagad guru) is not the only show in town. Leaving Fearless Leader does not mean leaving spiritual life, in fact for some it may be the beginning of their spiritual life.
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Wow it it really great to see the new posters. Welcome all!!! I do not have time to respond in full now to the different posts as I am preparing for a day trip with friends. But I just wanted say quickly. For myself I really have no regrets that once upon a time I complied. I learned much from my compliance. It has helped me to help others NOT comply with things that are so diametrically opposed
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QuoteDassiQuoteterrenautI appreciate the information that has been presented here, and can verify that many of the things that have been said are true enough. I have also noticed the tendency to simply engage in sneering and gossiping, which i dont believe is useful to the stated cause, of exposing this as a cult and warning others. It would be good if people present more factual evidence, and
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Gossip: 1. conversation about personal or intimate rumors or facts, especially when malicious 2. informal and chatty conversation or writing about recent and often personal events 3. somebody given to spreading personal or intimate information about other people to tell people rumors or personal or intimate facts about other people, especially maliciously Encarta® World English Dictionar
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Welcome to the thread terrenaut. There are certain rules here. However refraining from gossip is not one of them. All kinds of people show up on this thread and it is impossible to know who is telling the actual truth and who is not unless like yourself you were there. But even then because every individual may see things differently there will be room for misunderstanding and disagreement. They
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Old Daoist proverbs.. The taller the bamboo grows the lower it bends... The proud man can learn humility, but he will be proud of it.... New Daoist proverb: Man who shine light on self too bright, must wear sunglasses....
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This stuff is cracking me up. What about the sunglasses while sitting on the vyasasana? Yea right, thats the ticket, fearless leader is some kind of groovy cool guru who wears sunglasses indoors. Hes so cool he doesn’t care what the audience thinks. I mean shoot the lights he has shone on himself are so blinding he has to wear sunglasses!!! Were we really part of that? Gosh this is embarrassi
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Quote"quotesman"Quotejust-googlingT The Extortionist (Horror, Strictly For Adults Only) A guru who claims to possess mystic power - can talk to God and could cast out the devil out of you. Guess what? These don't come free. You have to donate from 25 to 50% of your salary to his mission; plus, you have to give up your family, friends and loved ones if they don't
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Quotejust-googlingThe movie ideas seem never-ending! Here's a few more! Lies my Guru told me (Drama, PG-13) A story of love and happiness; of truth and liberation; of knowledge and God; of purity and humility. In the end all these promises turn out to be all lies. A moving drama from the eyes of a disciple who has given up everything to follow the path of an enlightened guru to a dark
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Seems to me fearless leader and his followers put a lot of emphasis on avoiding demons and offenses. They seem to have similar ideas that many Christians do about things being black or white. If you disagree with Fearless Leader you must be a demon and offender. If you don't recognize Fearless Leaders greatness and pre-eminence you must have NO spiritual vision. I remember at one point I wa
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Quotejust-googlingHow about this for a movie title: They claim that they are of the Catholic faith, which is a belief system of resurrection of the body, eating fish on Friday, and eternal hell for anyone who is not baptized a catholic... :? What to speak of eating the flesh and blood of their sacrificed guru/man/god/deity. Actually the Catholics believe the wine and bread turn into
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'How I became a Yogini Goddess' About a nondescript chinese immigrant who cunningly becomes the follower of a popular Guru only to cleverly attract him into marriage so she can manipulate him, take his wealth and use it to promote herself all over the world as a Yoga Guru.. Who ends up with said gurus followers, camera crew and even gurujis celebate monk disciples catering to her ev
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QuotequotesmanQuotequotesman'The 11th hour in the life of a Fearless Leader' About a guru who promotes environmental responsibility and the idea of not taking more than one needs to maintain their body and soul together while secretly living in a palace in paradise with groveling servants catering to him hand and foot and consuming enough energy to feed and house a large village in
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Quotequotesman'The 11th hour in the life of a Fearless Leader' About a guru who promotes environmental responsibility and the idea of not taking more than one needs to maintain their body and soul together while secretly living in a palace in paradise with groveling servants catering to him hand and foot and consuming enough energy to feed and house a large village in South America.
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'The 11th hour in the life of a Fearless Leader' About a guru who promotes environmental responsibility and the idea of not taking more than one needs to maintain their body and soul together while secretly living in a palace in paradise with groveling servants catering to him hand and foot and consuming enough energy to feed and house a large village in South America.
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'THIS IS THE REAL (estate) DEAL' About a guru who promotes simple living and high thinking while secretly purchasing all the ocean front property in the state of Hawaii.
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A Krishnish Story. About a guru who begins a mass movement with slogans like peace love and end war but ends up trying to poo poo Christmas and sending his followers to kill innocent people in exotic lands.
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QuoteDassiI checked out one the the SoI satelite sites. Lots of quotes and old video clips. ALL those videos were made in the 1980's. Seems like NOTHING is new (except hundred's of more policy pages)- No new writing or appearances- ALL NOTHING! which does beg the question cultreporter asked, "Is Chris Butler even alive?" or is he some Weekend at Bernie'
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In fact not even one of fearless leaders followers is a Biblical scholar. Especially Jivan is NOT a biblical scholar. I think there is another follower in the P.I. they promote as a Biblical scholar too. Don't know who that is, but have heard it through the grapevine. I think he is in charge in the Phillipines. No, they are not Biblical scholars anymore than they are Vedic scholars. They ju
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Quotejust-googlingQuoteatheist ... It seems to me that there could be a book about this, perhaps several. There could be a PBS-TV documentary and a "60 Minutes" segment. Why not a documentary film? Magazine articles in Harpers, Atlantic Monthly, Vanity Fair. Yeh, a TV documentary would be interesting. However, it might be difficult to get enough film footage together t
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