Quotehoax108I remember listening to a lecture in which FL was talking about when ACB was approving various disciples as acharyas. Apparently Tusta received an "official" letter from ACB saying that he could accept disciples. FL was joking about this in his inimitable way, saying something like, "...well, at least he got a letter". Apparently FL never received s
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I remember FL when he was lambasting Katyayani for having disciples, say people would go to her just because she is so mellow compared to himself. I remember thinking, ‘yea that’s right why would a person want an uptight guru when they could get the same thing from a mellow one.” :lol: :lol:
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and good for Katyayani for not going back with her tail between her legs!!! But I think she also needs some help from outside, I think she could use a trip to Vrndavana and the assocaition of sadhus.. just my opinion of course.
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Quotehoax108Regarding Katyani - I never heard anything bad about her from FL or any of his disciples. She had her own disciples and they were not supposed to mix with FLs disciples. Supposedly so there would be no conflict of instruction - obviously an FL rule which reeks of ego. I did see some mixing of the groups in L.A. though. No big deal. I met her and BT once. They were really nice to me
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as a side not to my previous post ....the navel and stomach are left bare because they represent the divine... So revealing ones navel and belly button, by Vaishnava standards is considered holy and auspicious. Did you read this FL????
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I am going to address some of the things that popped up in the last few posts in my random freestyle way. Please BARE with me. I never heard anything about ACB giving his endorsement for FL to accept disciples. In fact if you read the Folio just the opposite was said. He said outright FL was NOT a pure devotee. He did recognize both Vishnujana and Jayananda Prabhu as pure devotees but not FL
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concerning the higher taste, one must chant the holy name purely without desire for name, fame, money or women...and the pure name cannot be given by one who has affinity for such things...so as far as a higher taste in that group, I don't think it is possible..which is the reason for the high divorce rate, sannayasis getting married, the guru engaged in politics and making cartoons, these a
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FL was never married before the queen bee. The question is why would sannyasis who were so advanced want to get married in the first place? I bet FL himself told them to marry. It is not at all proper for a householder guru to have sannyasi disciples. That could be very awkward especially in holy places where every one offers respects to the sannyasis before the householder and puts the monks on
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I wonder if terrenaut can tell us the part y line concerning Sudama and Katyayani? Does FL and his followers still rave about Madonna wearing tilok? What about Xena, is that still gossiped about? Are these two celebrities still demonized? I would also like to know why they have stopped their public attacks on people like Madonna and Xena. . For awhile they were trying to be the spokes
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QuoteDassiQuotehoax108 Here's an example from Christianity but it works for any bona fide path: Here are the fruits of the spirit that can be obtained through faith and trust in God and overcoming temptation (sin): love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. See how you measure up to these virtues and ask yourself if following FL is going
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Like so many other concoctions FL concocted his own methods when it comes to offering things to Krishna. THere is a funny story in relation to this. One of FL's followers had invited a devotee from a different mission to his house for chanting and prasadam. The devotee witnessed FL's devotee bathing the form of Krishna then taking the bath water to use to make a smoothie. After ma
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Quotehoax108The official "party line" I remember getting regarding FLs marriage was as follows: FL had a large number of single female disciples and he had to interact with them and counsel them in his service to Krishna. He thought it would be more proper to be married to continue to serve in this way. So the confidential loving servant of Krishna needs to concern himself
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QuoteterrenautQuote But the fact that you are still reading this thread means you must be on your way out. Good luck. Good things will come to you if you leave, I am sure of that. I am not really thinking of leaving but that may come, for sure. I guess that is part of the process. My real hope is that the people involved, the real Vaishnavas, will see that change needs to happen and make it so.
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Quotejust-googlingQuotequotesman I think for some of us it was actually torture to force ourselves to go to a gathering and chant. Hey bro, I can totally relate to that statement. Especially in Honolulu at the famous "headquarters" Seems that there was such a hierarchy developing then. It was quite uncomfortable and it was a relief to get out! One outsider came
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QuoteterrenautI just wanted you all to know that these discussions have given me much food for thought. Do you remember being taught the difference between a religion and a cult? If I remember correctly, it was that a religion/spiritual path/truth was based on a philosophy while a cult was centered around an specific individual. Of course this was meant to show us that we were not a cult. Wro
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There is now a famous chanter named Krishna das who plays all over the west. He is very popular and his chanting is well received. He chants mostly the Maha Mantra but is not affiliated with any organization. I think he has an impersonalist guru. I do not know anything about the Baba you mentioned so will not comment on him. The thing widely misunderstood in FL’s cult is what impersonalism
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"quotesman - I'm glad to see that you are still a Vaishnava. I think that this is a wonderful process and may the Lord look with favor upon you." Hoax Ditto. :D "It also bothered me that some of the devotees seemed to enjoy kirtan for sense gratification. They only enjoyed real "rockin" chants. I know I am being judgmental here but how cou
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QuoterrmoderatorAkhenaten: Your response to my previous post is disturbing. Please understand that if you break the rules you will be banned. Akhenaten, it is nice to have new people with something to offer come on the thread. I am sure you have something valuable to say about Chris Butler. Please don't break the rules and get banned before telling us something. You must understand i
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Quotehoax108Here is something else that I would like to add. I'm in a posting mood tonight... I have recently returned to the Catholic church. I am not here to promote Catholicism and I am well aware of whatever negative things you want to say about it. Frankly, I don't really care because it's working for me and I take out of it what I feel I need. I have heard well over a h
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I would like to make something clear here before I continue on. I am not here to recruit anyone to another Vaishnava mission. I am a person who was in the cult of Chris Butler for a long time, who left his cult but did not leave Vaishnavism. In fact I believe what I was taught was a perversion of Vaishnavism and not the real thing. So I could say I found Vaishnavism outside of the cult of Chris
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - interesting points regarding the evolution of theism and Zoroaster. Thank you for that. Also interesting to note that I was just reading in the Old Testament about King Darius of Persia and how he helped the Jews rebuild - due to the Lord's intervention. "Now it was from this very creed of Zoroaster that the Jews derived all the angelology of their re
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - interesting points regarding the evolution of theism and Zoroaster. Thank you for that. Also interesting to note that I was just reading in the Old Testament about King Darius of Persia and how he helped the Jews rebuild - due to the Lord's intervention. And if anyone reading this is wondering what this has to do with Siddha and SIF - well not much. Except of co
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QuoteDassi I know a man who sincerely wondered if the stories were allegorical or literal too. He wrote FL a heartfelt letter explaining that the stories seemed like fairy tales. He wanted to be a devotee and had questions. You can imagine what happened. The guy was blasted and berated and banned. His wife was an initiated disciple and “it is known” that one should leave a non-devote
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Quote"Dassi"Quotehoax108 I look at the stories as allegorical with layers of hidden messages. The Bible, Bhagavad Gita, myths, and fairy tales. True histories mixed with imagination, dreams, wisdom, and time. Lessons humans pass on to children from time immemorial. The lessons gleaned, just like the benefits of mantra meditation Seem to be all in the eye and mind and hear
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Quotehoax108More great posts lately....thanks everyone. Quotesman - great info on Nityananda Prabhu, stuff I did not know and it shows that you are up on your scripture. Well done and thanks. I was just recalling the many lectures in which a devotee (usually one of Yoga Queen's daughters) would read fron Chaitanya Charitamrita and FL would chime in with his observations, often with a k
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Ok I see. Welcome to the thread. Sorry if I misread you. Many would like to see Zelig back but we have to follow the rules and live with the decisions of the moderator. Zelig did break the rules. And he did give a lot of information. But he broke the rules, what to say?
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QuoteAkhenatenSpecifically? Were you a follower of Chris Butler?
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Do you know about the politics. The policies? Do you know about Ninjai? Any details of what is happening with FL would be good. Many of us have come forward and said much. I have nothing against Zelig but I do not think rambling on about it will help anything. Worst case would be Cult comes back here to counter you and then the whole thread gets derailed again. The moderator made a decision a
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QuoteAkhenatenQuoteBoth of these responses also indicate that the method just doesn't work. The method works perfectly as history has proved over and over again. Set up a cult. Make money. Cultivate slaves. Put fools to the yoke. Place your favourites in power. Build Pyramids. Build Castles. Build Mansions on beach front. Get the best looking women! Go with the times and set up little
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Quote"just-googling"Quotequotesman Was Purusottama a good man? I think so. But I do believe he was also deluded and illusion about many things including seeing Krishna in the park, which he claimed to have seen and was chastised by fearless leader for saying it. This episode reminds me of the phenomenon of people seeing statues weeping, or seeing blood coming out of the body
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