QuoteterrenautI was told most definitely that FL did travel with ACB in India, for some time. The impression I got was of FL behaving correctly at his Spiritual Master's feet, serving him and learning. Did this never happen? BTW, I really like the letters being copied here. It does serve to illustrate how far apart we have come from reality. Thankyou He did go once. But he distanced him
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He did not want to go to India. It was very disturbing to ACBS that he did not want to go. But FL told everyone his guru was pleased he did not want to go with him. He had little to no training from his guru. And it is not like ACBS saw some great yogi in him. In fact in this letter he is instructing another disciple to correct him if need be. Mayapur 1 April, 1975 75-04-01 Honolulu
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Tea in India: To ACBS tea represented foreign influence in India. The British East India Company's monopoly of the tea trade and its dominance over India were unprecedented in history. The Company maintained the largest private army in history and went out of its way to get every Indian hooked on tea. The company set up tea time twice a day for all Indians working for the company. The
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Another thing that can be understood by the letter is that ACBS is saying anyone who desires to serve the guru is a pure devotee, but he says he never said FL is a pure devotee. Therefore it can be logically concluded ACBS is saying the FL was not following him. We can also conclude that it was and still is possible for the FL to become a pure devotee if he ever starts actually following his
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QuoteatheistI realize that the Fearful Leader taught against divorce and then divorced. And perhaps he promoted the divorce of Richard Windham-Bellord and Windham-Bellord's then wife, the ever-lovely Wailana. At best, Chris Butler is a hypocrite. I do not think that FL had the queen bee divorce in order to marry her. And he was himself never married prior to the queen bee. The QB
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QuoteatheistI realize that the Fearful Leader taught against divorce and then divorced. And perhaps he promoted the divorce of Richard Windham-Bellord and Windham-Bellord's then wife, the ever-lovely Wailana. At best, Chris Butler is a hypocrite. Didn't His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada leave his wife and family to bring Krishna Consciousness to the U.S.?
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - However, as so beautifully evidenced by the prayers of Queen Kunti - I think Vaishanavas pursue a much more personal relationship with the Lord himself. Another observation of FL - he doesn't seem to talk much about HIS relationship with the Lord. As Queen Kunti prayed - "you reveal yourself to the surrendered souls". Years ago, a close member
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Dassi, There are many within Vaishnavism, even some acharyas who believe ACBS made many mistakes. Some go as far as to say westerners are not qualified to become full Vaishnavas and he should not have tried to give us everything. Myself I believe everything happens for a reason and that not even a blade of grass moves without the sanction of God. So for myself I do not agree with you or other
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The soul within the tiger and monkey is also equal. But we do not give the tiger a banana or treat him like a monkey. I do not know the exact situation and why ACBS said that, so I will not second guess. No one got a salary in the early movement. As far as molesters they should be punished to the extreme imho. But if a person wants to blame Vaishnavism on those things that happened they must b
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Something else I will throw out here that is mostly common knowledge within the Krishna Conciousness movement now. These stories are accept as fact by many. One of ACB follows was a transvestite who are switching back and forth. ACB instructed him to try to figure out if he was male or female and then stick to one. On another occaision one gay discple admitted he could not give up illiciti sex. A
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The point being. Stick to the path you are on. Do not mix things up. That instruction was also given by ACB to others who could not accept the Vaishnava path.
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - I don't think Christians find it acceptable that Christ suffered - most are deeply saddened by this, mourn his passion, and mourn their own frailty when they consider how weak they are and yet look what Christ did. Anyway - I do not want to get into a debate with you either, nor I am even remotely qualified to do so. I prefer to look at the similarities of Christia
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - I don't think Christians find it acceptable that Christ suffered - most are deeply saddened by this, mourn his passion, and mourn their own frailty when they consider how weak they are and yet look what Christ did. Anyway - I do not want to get into a debate with you either, nor I am even remotely qualified to do so. I prefer to look at the similarities of Christia
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Furthermore. In my opinion FL ideas about Christianity are as contrived and concocted as is his ideas about Vaishnavism. I don' t think he got either right. So he has more or less put two concoctions together to create a third concoction.
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - here's a question for you - In "Autobiography of a Yogi" Yogananda defined "chaitanya" as referring to "Christ consciousness". Any comments? Also, speaking of Christ, FL lectured quite strongly on the fact that Christians worship the body and blood of Christ because he gave himself as a sacrifice so that sins ma
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Quotehoax108Lots of nice chanting on youtube. I'm glad I checked it out! Very cool. Youtube is such a high traffic site - it's a really good way to broadcast the Holy Names. Isn't this what Vaishnavas should be doing? It does make you wonder if FLs agenda has anything to do with Vaishnavism. It seems to be that most of his devotees are so stressed by their "service&a
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I wonder why FL does not do things like this instead of making slasher cartoons and engaging in politics. I wonder how FL would answer this question.
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Concerning the Xena catastrophe, the following quote more accurately represented the mentality of most Hindus AND most Vaishnava. “My husband and I enjoyed the show. It conveyed the philosophy of nonviolence and love very well. It brought Hindu ideas into the mainstream, reaching an audience that would not be exposed otherwise.” Lavina Melwani, editor of India Worldwide Hinduism Today ar
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QuoteterrenautI was searching for more info and came across this. It was interesting, and the comments refer back to this forum if this has been posted before, my apologies. Good find terre. The PDHblog article was right to the point. Masters at Bhakti Yoga DO NOT eat flesh or drink blood even symbolically. Catholicism and Bhakti Yoga DO NOT mix. That would be considered a hodge podge c
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - the letter form ACB to Tusta was a great find. WOW!!! All devotees of FL should read this. I remember that we were not allowed to address each other a "Prabhu" because this is "too ISKCON". And we were strictly forbidden from associating with ISKCON. They were demons and tried to assassinate our dear FL. I remember some ISKCON devotee
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Quotehoax108I remember listening to a lecture in which FL was talking about when ACB was approving various disciples as acharyas. Apparently Tusta received an "official" letter from ACB saying that he could accept disciples. FL was joking about this in his inimitable way, saying something like, "...well, at least he got a letter". Apparently FL never received s
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QuoteterrenautHello all, some great posts and lots of good information. Much thanks. It is apparent that not only is JG lacking in the "qualities of a devotee", but it seems to me that the entire form has changed over the years. Yes, I note the change in Kirtans and the huge discrepancies between scripture and practice. We are instructed to listen to the Lord in the hear
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Quotehoax108Quotesman - thank you for providing the terrific information an Vedic life and tradition. And it is interesting to note that the most dangerous demons who appear in Kali Yuga come in the form of priests or acharyas. Makes one wonder, doesn't it? FL also claims to be part of the sampradaya, which I now question. I think this has been brought up before in this forum, but le
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Quotehoax108Fascinating posts regarding FLs relationship. or lack thereof, with ACB. I remember hearing that he did not take any disciples until after ACB left his body because that was the proper thing to do and, after all, he was so proper. This example was used to try to enhance his divinity. I also recall hearing lectures in which he criticized devotees for wanting to go to India on a p
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More on sannyasa: Sometimes it is seen that a person tries to take sannyasa but is not able to keep up the standard so they go back to household life. Some sadhus have said one way to look at this is that the person tried to give everything in the service of the Supreme but they failed. We should not condemn them but rather should think at least they made an attempt. Such persons will take a
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QuotequotesmanQuoteDassiHey quotester! So you are a breast man, eh :wink: Just kidding... Very interesting stuff on the history of the Sari. In the directors commentary on her movie "Water", she stated that the widows in the ashram did not wear cholis and one lady who played a very elderly widow was very uncomfortable with her costume (a white sari with no choli or bra).
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QuoteDassiHey quotester! So you are a breast man, eh :wink: Just kidding... Very interesting stuff on the history of the Sari. In the directors commentary on her movie "Water", she stated that the widows in the ashram did not wear cholis and one lady who played a very elderly widow was very uncomfortable with her costume (a white sari with no choli or bra). I find you
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QuoteDassiHey quotester! So you are a breast man, eh :wink: Just kidding... Very interesting stuff on the history of the Sari. In the directors commentary on her movie "Water", she stated that the widows in the ashram did not wear cholis and one lady who played a very elderly widow was very uncomfortable with her costume (a white sari with no choli or bra). I find you
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QuoteatheistI'm not sure why we are calling Chris Butler AKA "Jagad Guru Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa," "FL" or "Fearless Leader." Isn't he afraid of lots of things? Germs, gays, the GBC, to start with. We know he is keeping a low profile and makes no public appearances. He has no new books out. A few years ago he was
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Quotehoax108 Apparently Tusta received an "official" letter from ACB saying that he could accept disciples. I am sorry but that is not true.Neither Tusta or FL were approved as gurus by ACB. He did tell one person they could follow FL as long as FL maintained the proper conduct i.e. the sannyasa ashram. But FL never did, even while ACB was living. He could not even carry h
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