(its the old routine...my Guru illness is due to taking on the disciples bad Karma.) ------------------ Giridhar [ THAT HE IS GOD THERE IS NO DOUBT. HE MUST HAVE TAKEN THE PROBLEMS OF SOME OF HIS DEVOTEE. THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE HOSPITALISATION. HE WILL GET OK, THAT IS SURE. THE ONLY THING TO DO NOW IS TO CHANT FOR RESTORING HIS HEALTH. THIS IS OUR TEST. THE LORD MUST BE TESTING US, OUR
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They may keep the poor guy alive as long as possible, the way it was done to Francisco Franco. Too many times, that is the grim outcome when someone has nothing but power and money and has connected his in and out breathing to a huge, money making mythology machine.
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Unbelievable, right now, the Sai Baba org, is releasing press releases, some being posted as "news", which simply list his "charitable" works. So clearly, someone else runs the Sai Baba Org, and they are already in full PR mode, to manufacture the myth of Sai Baba, in case he dies soon.
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Some somewhat rare insight into the beliefs of true believers. The belief that the Guru is literally God, and the rationalizations to deflect from facts that conflict with those beliefs. Sai Baba accomplished what most Gurus of all stripes want to accomplish, to make people believe they are some type of God. Of course, now the new approach in the west is to say..."I am not a God", all
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To outside eyes, another obviously fake "godman" is probably dying. Its very shocking to read comments from followers. They literally believe that Sai Baba is "God" and is controlling the universe. Sai Baba So the human mind is a very flawed and vulnerable thing, which is prone to "believe" in these fraudmen (obvious to outsiders) who are not godmen. But for
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oh, Sai Baba was supposed to live to 96, then reincarnate in 2030. Sai Baba did accomplish one thing every cult Guru wants. He convince large groups of people that he was literally "God" and guiding the entire universe. That is what these cultic Gurus want, to have their followers believe they are a God. Sheer madness, but such is the human mind. ---------------------- By: harshm
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This comment is mind-blowing. It seems Sai Baba told people he would live probably forever, since he's God. And this one follower had a moment of clarity, that in fact Sai Baba is a fake. Then bloop, back into the rabbit hole. The human mind is an amazing thing. When the truth is too shocking and painful, it will supply a convenient fiction. ---------------quote--------------- By: Su
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Sai Baba is/was close to death. But some of the comments on some sites from his followers, makes one think of Ching Hai. Its important to remember, that yes, many followers do literally believe these showbiz entertainers and frauds, really are "Gods". Such a strange situation. Here you have Sai Baba, to many eyes an obvious fraud. And Sai Baba has done the standard "I Am
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Such a strange situation. Here you have Sai Baba, to many eyes an obvious fraud. And Sai Baba has done the standard "I Am God" showbiz act, telling people one day he will reach Samadhi, and float away into the ether, or whatever. So here he is, an aging man, who's health is failing. And his followers, who clearly do really believe he is "God" are confused and "
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Looks like Sai Baba is on his deathbed. Some very very strange comments from his followers.
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When these sects get people to meditate, and chant for hours certain phrases EVERYDAY, that is very powerful mental conditioning. (brainwashing, if you will) Because no matter the phrase, the people are thinking about Ching Hai, or have her pictures they are looking at or imagining. One lady said Ching Hai "visits" her in meditation. That is the Sai Baba trick, you tell people you
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Martin, thanks for this. Even if people choose to keep their exercises private, anyone who has spent time at what I call Andy's Place might benefit from studying the exact point, in time, in place, where one was in emotions and relationships and travels--and yes, finances--when one encountered publicity for AC -- or a recruiter for him. It is important to ID not only the exact point w
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Its quite cheering to see that Davejc is back on his own forum, in splendid isolation, reworking the entire debacle so that he comes out on top--in his own mind at least. For me the most heartening thing is that none of the 'graduates' who were so prolific in their postings on the xJC's have so far contributed a peep on Davejc's site. Hmmmmm....... If the real 'gr
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So he is 'in hiding' in the same way the he is also being 'persecuted' as he displays his MO on the xJC's? What a f*ckwit the 'really clever' Davejc is if he thinks that mess over there is going to attract any new members or vindicate him in any way. Anyone reading that self-justifying soap opera of viciousness will know exactly what to expect if they sign u
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Its not what Davejc claims to believe about Moses David Berg, Sai Baba et al that tells you what is in his head--it is what he does after studying their method. 'Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.' What Davejc values above all else is those peoples ability to con people and get away with it. He has dedicated his life to nothing else.
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Davejc is a user, through and through, so it is immaterial what he believes about Moses David Berg, god, Jesus or anyone or anything else for that matter. All he sees is a method that he can use for his own profit and that is all that registers with him. When it no longer profits him he will drop that and find something else, just as he drops people when they are of no longer use to him. Trying
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QuoteStoicDavejc seems to have a psychic affinity to known paedophile offenders masquerading as holy men. 'The point was that anti-cult individuals and groups use anonymity to disguise illegal things that they do, and they excuse the anonymity on the basis of concocted fears about reprisals against themselves.' In his latest argument to prove the world-wide conspiracy ag
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Davejc seems to have a psychic affinity to known paedophile offenders masquerading as holy men. 'The point was that anti-cult individuals and groups use anonymity to disguise illegal things that they do, and they excuse the anonymity on the basis of concocted fears about reprisals against themselves.' In his latest argument to prove the world-wide conspiracy against him and
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Sai Baba has a very bad history--lies about miracles predation on boys and young men, money Many of his most loyal devotees have repudiated him and those who spoke out have been hounded by cruel vitipuration. Brian Steele helped write literature for Sai Baba and later in conscience felt obligated to educate others. Kevin Shepherd Sathya Sai and Wikipedia Shirdi Sai Bab
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QuotecandyscentHi i was also involved in the ramana trust and defintley believe it is a cult. I realised after i left recently that mind control was being used with everyone. I and another member were phyically assaulted and screamed at. On leaving i did some research on cult and realised that people were treated badly against their will and vulverable. I feel something needs to be done about thi
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Ramana was a devotee of Sai Baba for years and did take a group out to stay in his ashram twice. The second time she stayed outside the ashram and seemed to feel she no longer needed to devote herself to him anymore. She is planning to take a group out to India again this january, but i don't think they are going to Sai Baba's ashram again. If anyone wants to contact me, please do so
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Hi i was also involved in the ramana trust and defintley believe it is a cult. I realised after i left recently that mind control was being used with everyone. I and another member were phyically assaulted and screamed at. On leaving i did some research on cult and realised that people were treated badly against their will and vulverable. I feel something needs to be done about this orgainsation
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Quotedandelion blossomThis organisation is a cult. I was one of Ramana's (formerly Rachel) clients for 4 years and then moved there and was involved intensely for a year before I finally left. She did the 'Cutting the ties that bind' work developed by Phyllis Krystal. She was a devotee of Sai Baba for years before apparently being told by him that she was a spiritual teacher in her
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Does anyone know about a person in North London who claims to be able to channel messages from 'Sai Baba' and 'Amma' (the hugging woman? A family mmeber has become caught up in this person beliefs. As a result this person beleives their mother has evil attacking energy against them and has cut off all ties. This family member also gives this person money on a monthly basis (
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"I had bought the book Eat, Pray, Love a week ago and today looked through the part about the ashram, and found references to the hamsa and Om Namah Shivaya mantras, which are part of Siddha Yoga. This morning I had to push away unwanted memories of lines from the Guru Gita." (from a discussion thread quoted below from Oprah community forums) Thank you for that link to Joan Rad
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First I would like to say a BIG THANKS to all who have posted in this thread in response to my opening post....A sincere thank you to help me overcome this attraction/interest in LGATs... Stoic: I have not had the best luck with professional therapists....Many just discuss the past (childhood and too much analysis)....Also, the one that I did connect with and benefit the most from actually tau
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Sathya Sai Baba Bedroom Murders THE UNRESOLVED, COVERED-UP 1993 MURDERS IN SATHYA SAI BABA'S BEDROOM REVISITED
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Basava Premanand (17 February 1930 - 04 October 2009) B. Premanand, the doyen of Indian rationalist movement, is no more. He breathed his last on Oct 4, 2009 at 2.20 pm at Podannur, Tamil Nadu. He was 79. According to his wishes, his body has been donated to the local medical college. Born on 17 February, 1930 in Kozhikode (Kerala), Premanand was a keen observer of paranormal phenomen
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Indian Skeptic www.indiansceptic.in Indian Committee For Scientific Investigation Of Claims Of The Paranormal Science and Rationalists’ Association of India Federation of Indian Rationalist Associations (FIRA) "A commoner walking on burning charcoal in a Miracle Busting Programme" Basava Premanand (17 February 1930 - 04 October 2009) B. Premanand, the doyen
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This organisation is a cult. I was one of Ramana's (formerly Rachel) clients for 4 years and then moved there and was involved intensely for a year before I finally left. She did the 'Cutting the ties that bind' work developed by Phyllis Krystal. She was a devotee of Sai Baba for years before apparently being told by him that she was a spiritual teacher in her own right? All her de
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