Culthusiast, I wanted to apologize for not respecting your views. I get it that you see butler as the problem and not the path of bhakti yoga. I see that I have fallen for the game of division. And ultimately I am also part of the clown show. Leaving a cult does not make anybody much better or wiser. I guess that it gets even harder when you have to hold yourself accountable. Ultimately w
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Souls do not evolve truly beyond the limits that have been imposed upon them. The limits they impose upon themselves. The limits society and religious and New Age teachings impose upon them. What I have realized is that when you grasp many realities, you do not even care about sharing them. You do not want to sit on a high chair like a guru. You see that non sense as a calamity. You just
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Our relation to the divine and demonic forces are very unique. And sometimes arguing about it, leads nowhere. There are people in SoI who are very privileged. Good looks, health, Karma, talented, charismatic, popular… They have mostly experienced the positive side of reality. They will always think butler is a sweet teddy bear and Krishna is the most attractive little blue boy. And then
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One cannot easily live in this so society without illusion. It reminds me of an old movie where the character had X-ray vision and he was going more and more crazy. We all need our coping mechanisms. If you take the veil of illusion from your eyes, you will feel as though you have landed in an alternate reality. A reality that is hidden from most. I honestly advise against it. I wish
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People have the freedom to see deities as they wish to. There is no need to convince them that their views are not correct. It is an individual relation. Based on personal experiences and perceptions. I do not think there are words in the dictionary to call these deities. From what they have made me endure. Leaving has been more hell than staying in the cult and dying gradually of fatigue and
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Forest, you are the number one debunker of the path. You rain on the illusion parade. You must have somw true divine protection. I think they have no power over you. If eternal servitude to the karma slave masters, is the goal of life, the universe must be one sick cosmic joke. They make it sweet by throwing the word LOVE in your face 24/7. Guru loves you unconditionally. He just made
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The only way Tulsi can callous her heart, is the focus on the verses of scripture such as you should not lament for the dead nor the living. At one point humans become characters in a video game and we’re here to pay off karma. And why cry since the soul is absolutely indestructible and eternal. Let us bomb them. Yamaraja will sort out the fate of the suckers on the other side. If butler
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The Yo-yo politics of TG covered in 8 minutes. That alone will scare you to be under the spiritual guidance of butler. SoI devotees have only one thing going for them: The little bliss crack. Asides from that, these people are so lost. Either taking instructions from him directly or his minions such as Midget. Enjoy your stay at the mental hospital!
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That murder story is really sad and strange. I wonder how she stays in touch with butler. It must be more secretive that keeping their war plans covered. How pathetic that she is with a regime who stands behind the genocide of one of the most faithful people on the planet. Krishna is Allah? How Pleasing! For sure even if they had good intentions, they should have gotten the memo that this i
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I think she entered politics with good intentions. She possibly wanted to make a difference. Then it became all about forcing herself into politics. Power hungry butler started pushing her to be a yo-yo puppet. It then became a game of political ambitions and ego. Moral standards went down the toilet. She started mingling with materialists all the time. Forced to harden her heart and psy
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We will never know anyone’s true soul potential or who they could have been. They have all been damaged and misled. They will eventually have to take ownership for their weakness. We cannot deny that they were very misfortunate to fall into the arms of professor Frankenstein. The man who turned Krishna consciousness into such a clown show. Even if they will say it is my karma, it is still a h
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My heart did not break for her because she’s no longer confident. I felt compassion for the fact that lying has become second nature to her. All that she has done is to lie for the past few years. And I know that she has not chosen to lie but was pushed to do so. She has made a fool of herself and a clown because of the yo-yo crazy guru. Why would I not have empathy for a poppet of this cult when
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I watched Tulsi getting roasted yesterday. I could see such a discomfort in her face. Se no longer had her usual arrogant confidence. I must say that my heart broke for her. She has given away her will to the wrong person. Had she chosen s this path herself. And it also made me think that butler had Almost that much power over me. It seems as though all the lies and deceit are backfiring. What ha
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Tulsi has 2 bosses now. One who bashes all religions and other Krishna groups. And one who is an ultra Zionist. So being against Muslim is her only option. Just call them radical. But keep eradicating e all the innocent ones. Jaya Jaya gurudeva. Love and light. Compassion. Beautiful devotees of the lord.
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Ultimately the US Government does not take the butler puppet master behind the scenes seriously. Tulsi and SoI are not the only one to blame. The ex follower tried to warn congress. You think that CIA cannot dig and see that she still has ties to butler? Her ties to a cult neither bother the Gov. nor the masses who see her as a marvel hero. Do not expect very high moral standards from this
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When you think Krishna is in control and gurudeva is the second coming of Christ, I can assure you that they can sleep at night. Same way that the hashish dealers never felt ashamed to pose as Brahmans. Breaking the 4 Regs they so fanatically defend. You will only lose sleep when you are directly connected to the spirit of truth and Justice. This is when you will be faced with a Life revie
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No matter how this incident truly happened, I can guarantee you that they used it to glorify themselves. Krishna protects his pure devotees. Watch out demons. Nobody can stop us. I have always hated that sadistic and callous mentality. They almost get happy if a person they consider offensive, suffers in any way.
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Politics make my skin crawl. I would prefer to land on snake island than Washington. And trusting a poor soul who is under the guidance of butler, is total insanity. But I guess that devotees of butler will be fine as they already come from a corrupt institution.
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The victory of Tulsi aka Wonder Woman, reminds me of the instagram versus reality. It all started so well. She mingled with the arch enemy, iskcon. Openly admitted she was linked to gurudeva. gurudeva expressed his pride in an interview. At first she only lied about being pro gay marriage and Hindu instead of a devotee of Krishna. Then she gradually had to turn into a Peter and deny she is
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It is good to sit back and watch the show with some popcorn without being invested in it. When you are no longer part of the mental hospital and can see through the BS. What a liberation. How fortunate we are. We could be still in the prison and truly see TG as a pure devotee, feel we need to bow to her. Feeing proud that one of us is in high places. All that crap for some transcendental
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Let me tell you what the ultimate psychosis is: Spiritual masochism. Bowing down to deities who explain to you in 500000000 million pages how they enslave you life after life. The day you let go of the fear of these deities, you will be disgusted with yourself for all the times you out your forehead on the ground ons dirty places such as the kitchen of a retreat. All the times you got sick b
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Let me tell you how souls are kept in a spiritual prison. All paths tell you not to look at other theories or religions. Jesus in the only way. Islam is it. Krishna consciousness is the top of the line. Never look at other theories. You will go to hell. In this way, people keep swimming in a pool. Never knowing there is an ocean out there. And that you must dare stepping out of the comfor
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Astral projection is not such a big deal and many people are able to do it. No I have not taken LSD. I can only speak from my experiences since I was a kid. And Krishna Consciousness just sucked me in like a vortex. Both with the internal feelings and the supernatural. This has been something others shared with me too. I also listen to many stories as to how people were driven to Islam or C
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By the way do not forget something important. What made butler leave the LSD and astral projection yogi life? He, himself was lured into the path via the bliss and mystical experiences. He himself felt for the so called love for god. That cocaine nectar of Krishna consciousness. I don’t think he just faked it to become guru. Ultimately followers also suck the energy of teachers. The who
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Run Forest Run I think you are dedicated and selfless when it comes to trying and help others not to fall into traps. It is sad what we are able to put up with in such settings. When you leave you realize what the fear, going beyond your limits… did to your body and mind. Yes Universal justice may only work through us. We cannot sit and wait for Karma to work in 20 lifetimes. We live in an
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Krishna and butler have a nice way of occupying the mind like some parasites you cannot flush. Even after decades. Think about it. All the best.
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What I have realized with all religions, is that They push you to accept and glorify the position of a beggar. In this way you can easily accept your fate without questioning or rebelling. I have heard Catholics say that god allows demon possession. Can you imagine that? It is not just Krishna consciousness that encourages the spiritual masochism. It is just much worse than the other reli
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Butler has never been qualified to be a bhakti guru. His heart, mind and soul have always been polluted. He should have just been a regular devotee in the Krishna consciousness mental hospital. Like so many other narcissists and broken people who roam cults. He is an amazing actor and manipulator. He was able to pull this crap because of the transcendental and mystical experiences of his foll
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Maybe all American ex cult members should write to congress as someone else did. To warn them that butler is the dude who runs the show and not Tulsi. 50 letters are better than one.
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Unfortunately it is impossible to completely forget the miseries of SoI when you see Tulsi’s face on the net every single day. I was thinking that Butler did a great job creating this persona with his strategies. Sending her to the Army to make her pass for a hero. Picking a female with a good amount of male energy and confidence. The process of Bhakti Yoga consists of detaching totally from
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