RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DeWatcher, > > The only propaganda happening here is you > repeatedly coming here and deflecting, distracting > and vouching support for this destructive cult and > ones like it (i.e. other gaudiya vaishnava groups > that share the same basic ideology). That words make you a false l
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By the way, I am about to finish so as not to upset your truthfulness - as we are with Poles and African Americans. "Tell me why Babylon". Why did African Americans try to destroy a monument to the Polish and American hero - Tadeusz Kosciuszko. QuoteA close friend of Thomas Jefferson's, with whom he shared ideals of human rights, Kosciuszko wrote a will in 1798, dedicatin
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Frozen Nick91 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank you Run for making clear, that the > Bhaktivedanta quotes from Radhikas video do not > need any context to see that they are absolutely > terrible. I was thinking the same when I read > Watchers answer to it. I do not mean to gang up > again DaWatcher here, but being in an ISCKON group &
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DeWatcher— > > Excuse my french, but what the fuck does any of > this have to do with the swamis comments? there is > no context for them, nor did he give any. His > views on women and jews and blacks and > rape/dictators/biology/cosmology/history have > popped up numerous times with
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A good film showing the realities of Africa is the cult "Black Hawk Down". The dictator Mohammad Farrah Aidid - Polish wiki describes him: QuoteSomali military commander, often described as a chief general and diplomat and chairman of the United Somali Congress (USC), later chaired the Somali National Alliance (SNA). Along with other armed opposition groups, he led the regime of Pres
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Another interesting example of a dictator was Enver Hoxha. Albania's dictator. Josip Broz Tito believed that Albania was too small a country to remain independent. Enver Hoxha, not wanting to succumb to Yugoslav domination, took - surprisingly - Joseph Stalin and the USSR as his patron. At one point, this arrangement became uncomfortable and there was an Albanian-Soviet split, and Enver H
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Here is the video compilation of his lectures by > Radhika Bianchi. > > Subjects are much more longer. Each of the topics discussed requires much more explanation than just the abbreviated passages from A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. There is a question of audience knowledge and understanding from the
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Remember this. Bhaktivedanta swami envisioned a > world where if people did not accept his Krishna > god they should be shot: > It would have to be confirmed. The philosophy itself says that the material world is for those who refuse to serve God. Alternative. Maya. "Not this". Or stat
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > * Do you eat what you are given without yelling > like a baby in shitty diapers? A polish Sanyasi, a legend, disciple of A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami he treated people differently. Since he has his own standards of operation and "purity" in the kitchen, he cooks meals himself for the guests when they particip
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corboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > * At Starbucks you order black coffee instead of > the Frappuchino you really want because there's a > long line behind you and you don't want to make > them wait. Can You explain this?
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Good questions RUN FOREST RUN. Ultimatelly the power of ones faith, spirit or quality of character must be proved. Words are not enough. What to say about SIF lies or hypocrisy etc. Buddhist monk Thich Quang Duc, Burned himself with no sign of pain. Thats's a power! Maksymilian Kolbe asked in nazi concentration camp to be b-cycloned instead of a family man. Janusz Korczak, a Jew taki
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According to Bhagavad Gita one must come closer to self realised person, ask questions and serve with devotion. I asked people - how many letters you wrote and how many replies. None. 25, 30 years. So what are you doing man??? Jagad Guru and disciples karma? I read letters. Thos from early days. Many expectations. Somehow to build a new second Iskcon. And failure. Not suprised. Or another way
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This type of dehumanizing emotion then carries > over to their concept of future lives, be that in > a so-called "spiritual" body or, more often, in > the Gaudiya sect, to be reborn again and again as > a lowly dog or grain of sand to be touched by > someones foot. In fact it's
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Still FB profiles screen-shoots we have...
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it is pathetic that when today we ask comrades of early days C. Butler who give lectures and kirtans on Facebook as spiritual authorities - do you know P. Bowler - they say no, we don not know him. Then how is it possible you HAVE HIM in your Facebook friends.
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That seems incredible more than before.... Just as a comment and reminder or reference to these numerous projects, there was a small internet group in Poland around 2000. They worked for a short period of time on "internet projects". Mainly it was one initiated disciple helping Ninjai project and also several on the commercial VillaGetaways project - for which they did not get money,
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In the 90s a group of devotees in > Siddhswarupanandas group were feeling spiritually > isolated. Butler was no longer speaking and making > public appearances and in general, became a > recluse slowly. Craving association and a renewed > vigor in their spiritual life they started to seek >
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And, of course, there's an understanding that striving for success has its transformations in the domain of wealth and power. Some strive for wealth, others for power or a hybrid. But the nature is that it causes conflicts. When a war or battle breaks out, the target may be wealth (robbery etc.) but there are players who target trophies. As in Operation Barbarossa, the German generals "
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I agree with most of your statements. I am only commenting on excerpts: > I see on here many comments that devotees are kind > or successful or do good welfare work etc etc. > Yes, that's great and if that is what their > Krishna consciousness helps them to be and they > need it to be that
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Zu Risiken und Nebenwirkungen lesen Sie die SOI-Packungsbeilage aber besser fragen Sie Ihren Arzt oder Apotheker.
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I hear you DaWatcher. Yes, ayurveda and any number > of arts and sciences associated loosely with the > Veda and finding its origin in ancient India are > absolutely worthy of scientific consideration and > review. There is no doubt useful knowledge that > results in thousands of years of deve
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Uncondotional love? Yes sure! Yes, I no longer believe in this unconditional love in SIF. Lots of examples of a lack of empathy. But for the record - festivals. Nice kirtans, all sorts of activities, that's cool. Bombing with love. But for those old members who were helping to do this, there was not enough th
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ayurveda has some use. Naturally. I should hope > so. Why invest so much energy into systematizing. > But it has nothing to do with the Krishna > religion, and simply to do with human ingenuity. > But naturally, there is much misinformation and > utter nonsense in Ayurveda. In science and >
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > “Listen to me, Truman. There's no more truth out > there than there is in the world I created for > you. Same lies. The same deceit. But in my world, > you have nothing to fear. I know you better than > you know yourself”. Good comparison...
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I sent you the DM link to the kitchen list from > hell. Thank You. A subject for study. > That a Sanyasi/guru apologizes is simply their > humanity. The scriptures certainly do not dictate > that they are ever flawed or wrong. Read the > sastra. Nowhere is it stipulated that a guru is to
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What else can be added in response to the RUN FOREST RUN post, is to remind you that the SIF materials not only show pictures of Chris Bulter as a 30-year-old. The video lectures clearly show the movements of the cameraman and editor who show the impact of Chris Butler's personal charm and the immediate effect he has on the women of the audience.
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RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have the full Butler kitchen rules if anyone > ever wants it. It might have also been uploaded to > the Kailua Cult FB page. It\’s not 300 pages. > It\’s long, but not 300 pages. Lol. The Butler > Kitchen Rules Samhita. Send me a link in private message please. > and realize that if y
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The analogy is not perfect, and the humor is typically Polish, with Polish mental flaws and the flaws of the communist system, but the mood fits perfectly. Scene from the comedy "Mis" ("The Bear"). Translation: Quote"- Tell me, what is this bear for? - What for? - Well, no one knows what for, so you don't have to worry that someone will ask. Do y
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Dawatcher just wanted to make it clear that I > don’t want to trash Balakhilya’s family. They are > decent people. There are many nice people at SIF. Finally, they also sacrificed their lives in the name of love and transcendence, and oftentimes temporal forms of care and other beings. > May they nev
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Truth wins Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks Dawatcher. You have been a great brother. Farewell. A man has somehow rebuild himself from this horrible duality. VoxVeritasVita Das Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Truth Wins- > Are you saying - you actually have a copy of that > 300 page "Rules and Reg
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