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4 weeks ago
zizlz
Quoteearthquake D.I. I am so glad you have asked this. So, when I went back there now to check, I can see that the James & Isabella Swartz have now greatly changed aspects of that satsang! They have took out the above quote, and much more. I can tell that it is in response to this initial post/article. No the quote is still in there. Scary stuff. It's in this paragraph: Quote Th
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4 weeks ago
zizlz
Edit: Earthquake beat me to it. Can't delete this post so I'll leave it as it was. Dis-illusioned Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Seriously!!?? > > WTF…!!! > > Could you please cite where you accessed that > quote from (I find this forum too difficult to > navigate, but it may have been a quote from a > previous post
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4 weeks ago
zizlz
QuoteIsabella Swartz E-Satang Shiningworld: Most important, it is clear you do not understand nor respect Ramji’s authority as Isvara in protecting the teachings. Ramji is the Self, a true Mahatma, and he truly can claim that ‘Isvara made me do it. Whatever he does is correct, there is no fine print to it because he is Dharma with a big D. Wow, these people are crazy. Must be great for Isab
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4 weeks ago
zizlz
QuoteIanKoviak I think ya'll might like this book – "Advaitaholics Anonymous: Sobering Insights for Spiritual Addicts" Thanks for that book recommendation! I'm reading the introduction now and I find myself agreeing 100%, but the author words it much better than I ever could. Excerpt: QuoteSpirituality is a highly personal business. It is a person’s unique relationshi
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6 weeks ago
zizlz
I can't help you out unfortunately, DrBBennett. In the Jonestown mass suicide, not every cult member was willing to poison themselves. Those that refused were murdered. I wonder if this is the case with more of these cult mass suicides. In that case, the psychological mechanisms behind those combined homocide-suicide cases might be no different from those behind family homocide-suicide
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6 weeks ago
zizlz
Thanks for sharing that review, Earthquake. People like me who owe their vedanta knowledge (in part) to reading JS's books need breakdowns like this one to help weed out JS's distortions. Last year I threw away all my JS books. I didn't sell them or give them away because I didn't want to pollute anyone else's mind with distorted vedanta. Looking forward to visiting your
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2 months ago
zizlz
It seems to me that the more you know yourself, the more you know that you don't know anything. When someone's strongly identified with their opinions, to the point of going into tantrums about them, I think this is all the proof you need that this person is dominated by ego. On a related note, here's a quote from David Godman's article about Ramana Maharshi's attitude
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4 months ago
zizlz
The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Exactly. Thank you. All facet wants to do > (pretty much) is preach atheism, apparently. Yeah looks like it. If someone's post history shows a very predictable, unchangeable and dismissive opinion, maybe there's no point in engaging them.
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4 months ago
zizlz
The Whirlwind Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > All I am trying to really say, facet, is that I am > not willing to throw the baby away with the > bathwater. It's like I got hurt in an abusive > church, but I still consider myself a Christian. > Same thing. I think you have the right attitude. Throw out the bathwater but keep the baby :
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
4 months ago
zizlz
> Feel free to visit > satyoga.exposed > where we'll be gathering a maximum of perspectives > and experiences. I love the look and tone of the site! I didn't even know the .exposed domain extension exists but it fits perfectly. I'm reading Govinda's testimonial and what he describes is identical to my experience with other cult leaders. At the beginning of th
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7 months ago
zizlz
That's great, Amoo. Seems like the best case scenario to me: picking up whatever insight/impetus someone has to offer you without surrendering your authority or critical thinking to them.
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10 months ago
zizlz
I think you're right that it's more like a religion than a cult, in a way. Similarities with Christianity occurred to me too, Trump being their messiah and Q being their prophet. Maybe this is the first large scale religion that has been grown by Artificial Intelligence. The AI algorithms deployed by Facebook, YouTube and others have learned that exposing people to ever more radical con
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10 months ago
zizlz
QuoteSahara71 The thing with Q-anon is that it's already widely accepted as being a conspiracy theory. I can see that it shares some similarities with a cult, but there doesn't seem to be any kind of 'leader' that benefits form Q-anon - as in, is there anyone who is amassing power and influence and money as a result of Q-anon? Is there some kind of centralized organization
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10 months ago
zizlz
Thanks Shamrock, that video is really fascinating. Here are the pages BobbiJean referred to on 8kun: [8kun.top] [8kun.top] [8kun.top] I haven't been able to find any of the specifics BobbiJean mentioned on those pages, like the name and rules of the game, so I don't know if that information is evidence-based, hearsay, or speculation. BobbiJean, maybe the ConspiracyPsychology
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10 months ago
zizlz
Thanks, Earthquake! I'll probably have to reread your posts a few times to let it all sink in, as information-dense as they are.
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10 months ago
zizlz
QuoteDis-Illusioned I’m grateful for that link and reference to other useful resources ziziz I'm glad it's useful to you! Quoteearthquake Swami Dayananda came back and studied Shankaracharyas works and the Bhagavad gita. And in a short time, that was that, he attained moksha. Inquiry was missing. Swami Dayananda said that he was expected to sit at the feet of his Guru, and just
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10 months ago
zizlz
I'm watching Rick Archer's latest interview with Swami Sarvapriyananda. They talk about ethical foundations of nondual spirituality. At 55:00 there's a question about the problem with abuse and such among modern advaita teachers. Swami S. says that discipline is often under-emphasized (as opposed to knowledge). Knowledge is only for the intellect, which is like the rider on an elep
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10 months ago
zizlz
Quoteearthquake Earlier in the year, I was posting some sociological stuff on my timeline. Another teacher in our lineage ( a friend) asked me why would I bother with these things, since it doesn't affect I. I pointed out lovingly that the world does still matter. Even if one is free. I'm glad you're pointing this out because I think Swartz's dismissal of the world as unimp
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10 months ago
zizlz
Thanks for the links, BobbiJean. I looked at the pages you linked to but I can't make any sense of them, unfortunately. I hope someone can make a more easily digestible text/video with the information, for the less informed/intelligent like me. In the Netherlands a popular satirical show recently did an item about Qanon which seems to have had some effect. It helped spread understandi
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10 months ago
zizlz
My reply may have been a bit snarky, sorry for that. But really, if you have evidence please share it.
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10 months ago
zizlz
BobbiJeanMcQueen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My Question to You: > > How do we help Q followers once they break free > and/or the reality of the Q cult is unmasked? A good start would be leading by example: not spreading claims without evidence to back them up and expecting others to believe them. Qanon originating as an ARG sounds like an
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10 months ago
zizlz
Quoteshamrock I was thinking of Sudhir Kakar, The Inner World, and V. S. Naipaul, An Area of Darkness. Thanks, Shamrock! I saw the Naipaul book is banned in India; that makes me extra interested in reading it!
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10 months ago
zizlz
Thanks for your explanation, Facet. I agree with your reservations about having children meditate. I once asked a psychologist what she thought about meditating with children and she recommended against it, saying it may not be healthy to halt their inner processes. Regarding the rest of what you wrote, it doesn't match my own experience nor the scientific research I've read.
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10 months ago
zizlz
Hi Rama, you seem to be well informed about matters concerning James Swartz. Maybe you can tell us about the status of James' legal action against Traveler, which he announced in February 2017. See
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10 months ago
zizlz
Quoteshamrock There are, though, plenty of Indian writers who criticize their own culture on the same grounds! Do you know if any of those writings are available in English?
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10 months ago
zizlz
BTW, another aspect of belief systems that may be relevant to this discussion is the belief that there exists a cycle of reincarnation and the ideal outcome is to be liberated from this cycle, i.e. to be liberated from embodiment. I can imagine that this negative view of material reality can lead to a decrease in initiative to improve material or even societal conditions.
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10 months ago
zizlz
That makes a lot of sense to me, Earthquake. We haven't been precise enough in this discussion about different kinds of meditation and the corresponding difference in effects, and the same goes for the different contextual frameworks in which meditation is practiced. I think that a lack of initiative in improving one's conditions isn't necessarily causally linked to the practice
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10 months ago
zizlz
Thanks for your input, Earthquake. QuoteEarthquake I am only guessing the points being made here, (sorry im cooking lunch), and I can appreciate if there is any view that mediation may make one focused in a way that other things are not noticed. This can be true. Yes I guess that's broadly the point of the initial post, that meditation can make you accept (or overlook?) suboptimal circ
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10 months ago
zizlz
I just took a look at the first few posts in this thread and to my surprise I already wrote about a possible explanation of this conundrum of how decreased amygdala reactivity apparently doesn't constitute decreased alertness (or in the case of the Vice article, decreased combat effectiveness). Here it is, slightly rewritten: Quotezizlz In my experience, an effect of regular meditation th
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10 months ago
zizlz
From the Vice article: QuoteThis could be the future of warfare as the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) is increasingly providing training in mindfulness tools and breathing techniques to manage stress, build resilience, enhance wellbeing and improve combat effectiveness. That's interesting. I think it casts doubt on the conclusion in the topic title ("Meditation reduces reactivity to
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