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8 years ago
findthelies
Quoterecker47QuoteWS.SmithPastor Rsen, Y were u seen out late at night, early morning with a "youth worker" whitney. The 1 who works at Hooters and is proud of it.what were u doin? Good role model to the kids, im sure the teens want to be just like her. U going to make an honest woman of this young lady? ur on a power trip just like G. U better thank God the picture that was taken is no
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8 years ago
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Not a fan of the ROC by any measure of the word, but I have to say that those figures are totally believable. Both are included within the same revenue stream (amounts), though they are listed separately. With donations from Haverty's as an example, that's pure profit on furniture that's almost always close to perfect condition. It's definitely feasible.
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8 years ago
findthelies
Wow, that is too awesome.
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8 years ago
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Takeastand - I am sorry for what you are going through. Be comforted in knowing that you are not the only person who is dealing with the fallout of manipulation by Geronimo. The important thing now is that you do not talk to the people on this site, or share your information with anyone here, because it will make it back to the ROC (which I am assuming it already has since you've posted h
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9 years ago
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EA4RAM - You found this website while looking for something as simple as a telephone number, and are still contemplating attendance? What you've read so far should be concerning at the least, especially if your children attend as well. You aren't going to be able to gather "facts" as no one has officially come forward legally with any allegations. If so, this thread wouldn
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9 years ago
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I've spoken to all of the aforementioned couples at different times since I/they left (except for Gray and Sandra, or Melanie and Ed). None (with the exception of Gary Harvey and Rod and Marsha Jackson) have given clear explanations. They are all great people, and it's been with some hesitation that some of them resisted saying anything, especially when you could tell they wanted to say
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9 years ago
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That's one thing I've always wondered - why don't people ask about those, namely couples who are heavily involved, that just seem to disappear? Is it not strange to them that all sorts of people just seem to have been spiritually moved to somewhere else? How much is the average cost of a breast augmentation anyway? For an elective surgery which won't be covered by insurance
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9 years ago
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Or those who work(ed) in the office using the company (yes the Richmond Outreach Center is a corporation) credit card to fill up their personal vehicles. I used to run some of their vehicles to the Raceway gas station when they were still only using the Warwick Rd facilities to fill them up - all of whom did no ministries outside of answering phones in an office (which is a job, not a ministry).
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9 years ago
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deceived2long - that's good info. Most would also probably be shocked to learn that the total funds raised from the congregation toward the Big House was under $100,000. Interesting, no?
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9 years ago
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That was interesting. Thanks for posting that.
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9 years ago
findthelies
I don't know if I'd say a gang mentality, I don't think that's a fair comparison, but that's my opinion. There definitely is a "lifestyle" there that people get caught up in. That's probably as simply and best I could explain it.
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9 years ago
findthelies
A Pastor being at a ranch for sexual misconduct issues? Haven't heard that one. Drugs, yes. Sex, no. The reason I say no, and don't think that statement is accurate because you even said yourself that sexual sin isn't dealt with at the ROC, or really even confronted. Just trying to figure that one out.
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9 years ago
findthelies
QuoteDo as I say not as I doJack schaap .. Google that . G's pastor Sounds about right. G, it could happen to you man. Just saying.
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9 years ago
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So you would need to tell their new pastor for what reason? I can't foresee a good one, unless they are on the church's payroll - and even then, it's not easy to justify. What you don't know about them is that they left jobs that paid well to become involved with the ministry, and received less than half the pay which other members of the staff made who were single with no
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9 years ago
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And yes, Jason Helmlinger should've been ousted from marriage counseling long ago. Don't know what kept that one going. Multiple and long-term affairs with women who are not your wife don't speak highly of you being qualified to hand out marital guidance (though I can only assume they'd tell me I was wrong). Personal authority must occur before positional authority should b
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9 years ago
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They won't encourage education - in fact - the majority of those with deductive reasoning and critical thinking skills are pushed to the fringes, or kicked out. They don't want people who think for themselves to be around those who can't because the leadership are the only ones allowed to plant thoughts in the heads of those at the church, not those who are smart enough to see thro
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9 years ago
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QuoteUndercoverANGELKnow this, the truth will be revealed soon and God will not let them get away with this any longer. Many cities and Nations fell in the Bible because of their disobedience to the truth and not teaching the truth. God himself said because you are lukewarm I will spew you from my mouth. or another example was Sodom and the surrounding cities were destroyed. What is sad is that t
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9 years ago
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QuoteAW StevensQuotefindtheliesNot when I was there, no. Which, to a degree, is probably good. If they're teaching from the bible, and that's all anyone is expected to bring to class (that and a pen and notebook), I don't think that's altogether a bad thing actually. I can assure you that Christian colleges have textbooks for their religion courses. There are all kinds or c
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9 years ago
findthelies
Not when I was there, no. Which, to a degree, is probably good. If they're teaching from the bible, and that's all anyone is expected to bring to class (that and a pen and notebook), I don't think that's altogether a bad thing actually.
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9 years ago
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They do - it's a very small room in the front of the school facing Chamberlayne. There is little to nothing there (there wasn't the last time I was there anyway). The classes they teach (such as New Testament Survey) are done out of a book the teacher holds onto, the students don't get copies. It helps to keep down on confusion, or people reading things and discovering stuff that m
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9 years ago
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That's a shame about the daycare. What would Jesus do I wonder? Well whatever your writer friend does, he needs to be careful. The ROC is extra paranoid about this site and everything it discusses - why else hire someone to clean your record on the web (which isn't working out, might want to take the gentleman you hired off of retainer and save that money every month)? I'm sure
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9 years ago
findthelies
So I wonder how this finally got knocked off of the front page of google results?
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9 years ago
findthelies
rocsucs - unfortunately, God is real - he just isn't responsible for making decisions for people - they act on their own accord. So regardless of what positional authority they may hold, in the end, they make the choice themselves as to whether their actions and conduct will fall on the side of good/evil. And I don't think that Gerry thinks like you say he does in the last line - I t
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9 years ago
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The majority of those who attend the Pastor's School conference are fundamentalists - they do not subscribe to a lot of the "become all things to all people" line of thinking. In part they do, but I think their aim is more that traditionalism has been effective in the past, why not now (which I agree with for the most part)? They probably think it's insulting to God to have Ch
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9 years ago
findthelies
BTW - does anyone know whether or not the classes offered at the School of ROC conference will cover manipulating your congregation, how to insulate yourself from answering for your actions, or anything along those lines? They'd probably be excellent.
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9 years ago
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The most unfortunate part about the bus ministry is that the majority of those who participate are mandated to, it isn't voluntary. That affects someone's heart toward something tremendously, and as a result, the impact on the kids likely ends up not giving them the full benefit, or even affecting them negatively. I will say toward the end of working there, I didn't have the best a
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9 years ago
findthelies
I appreciate your maturity. Yea, wasn't trying to be accusatory, but I felt like I should at least ask. Glad to know you handle things in an adult fashion.
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9 years ago
findthelies
TO HISMERCY - and let me say that what follows is STRICTLY HYPOTHETICAL - so if it doesn't fit, ignore it. QuotehismercyOK Everyone . . . that's been posting on here all these years, now is your chance. Often times reporters will use "changed names" in their investigations in order to protect innocent people. If 4 folks from the last two pages of posts will contact by pr
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9 years ago
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Criminal charges in the instance of any sexual misconduct referenced require the victim to step forward, which they have not (or won't - not sure which). I do know that the one in question that is often mentioned in connection to those allegations lives in AZ currently, so it's doubtful anything will be brought to the light "officially". There have been complaints made to
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