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12 years ago
outtathere
Well, well. I was following and contributing to this thread from the beginning, and it looks like more and more people are coming to their senses. Please get it, all ye of less and less faith: BB is a cult and the gullible are prone to fall for all its many traps. Laitman is a con man who has motives beyond the publicly stated, and who wants YOUR money to further them. Oh, and by the w
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
"Pnina"-- Not knowing who you are, or your motives, I am not particularly interested in answering your questions. I don't even consider kabbalah anymore and I've had all my questions answered--elsewhere. As for asking the sorts of questions I had on the BB forum or of Mike Kellogg directly, or Tony, or whoever, you must be joking. And I never asked anyone to ask Mike anyth
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
There’s a lot of money to be made in the self-help “industry.” Especially by those who are, ahem, selling you the “help”! These may be relevant: The Secret is based on Charles F. Haanel's book, The Master Key System, and focuses heavily on the Law of Attraction. In the early 1900's, Haanel created a series of 24 weekly studies that he mailed to people who paid $1,500 for
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Yes, but behavior inevitably follows from belief, does it not? Is it profitable, overall, to focus on the behavior alone, and not ask what fostered that behavior? But I will desist, seeing I have gone out of the boundaries of this particular forum.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
As a small aside to Skippy, who said, "No religion or ideology should be attacked... the actual beliefs should be off limits in a respectful society. You believe what you believe, I'll believe what I believe, and we don't need to attack the other viewpoint." Perhaps he may want to argue his point with Richard Dawkins, writer and (ahem) scientist, whose latest book is The God
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
I want to post just a few more "bits" of information, and links, that might lead one to, at the very least, think that there is something more going on with Bnei Baruch, and the Bleep film in question. I mean, you really do get the impression that BB LIKES THIS MOVIE, and that they took all possible advantage of the supposed connection between its "truth" and kabbalah's
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
QuoteskippypbI find it offensive that some people feel free to attack someone else's personal convictions on this board (especially when they are clearly mixing old events and old anger with a new experience). You find lots of things offensive, I'm sure. Life is messy, though. Some people might call what I have done, or am trying to do, "learning from experience." It's
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Aw Rick, you didn't give me a chance to ask him about those "serious misconceptions" he mentioned in his first post. I especially wanted to question his view of the Bleep movie and the Ramtha connection. I know those questions won't get answered over on their board, and besides, they probably won't let me on that one anymore. Gian Maria's indeed brutal assertion
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Something I found today--more books! Forgotten Gods Waking Up ???? yikes
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Ok, I'm going to post a few more things. lol Sometimes, it's about making connections... here's more on Ramtha, that I just saw today, even though I figure you don't care about that. C'mon guy, what might one infer from the fact that Michael Laitman, and his outfit, Bnei Baruch, are giving serious consideration to this stuff? Do you think that Laitman, brilliant fe
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Hey Skippy-- As SpongeBob said to Plankton, when the latter said he was fomenting a plan to take over the world: "Well, good luck with that." :roll: Peace out
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
QuotemhallakstamlerI left the BB not because of problems with them but after realizing that their standards were too high for me at the time. Let me paste here something from BB's information about its upcoming "Convention": What is Kabbalah, anyway? Simply put, it's a practical method that lets you discover and step into your best, most optimal, happiest state of being
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Skippy, no, I don't want you to blindly believe anything--that's why I wanted you to look at other things besides just the basic information, for cryin out loud, which is something you don't seem willing to do. Go ahead and study Kabbalah! What does it matter to me? If the basic ideas of kabbalah in general make sense to you, I'm not going to try and talk you out of it. It
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
So then, tell us why you "left". And how involved were you, exactly? Did you live with the main group in Israel? Did you attend their Congresses? Were you part of a physical group? By the way, you might reconsider your premise that an organization that just gives away so much information is not suspect on the basis of that fact alone. I'm still kicking myself for thinking t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
I think I may bow out of the discussion at this point. Skippy, it seems to me that you will do what you will do, regardless. You have invested a good amount of your time into the study, you think it is valuable and reasonable, and from the distance that you are from the group itself in Israel, you see no obvious indications of trouble. So be it! As to the political aspirations of Kabbalists,
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Well, I don't know how you could possibly continue with these people. No, and not kabbalah either! Bah humbug. Look, try this: go to any one of those pages you're reading and studying now, and try to forget you've seen it before or thought you understood it. Then, with every single idea you read, ask yourself, What does that MEAN? What are they saying, EXACTLY? Does that
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Ok, I've read some of the other posts on other subjects here, and I see that many here, if not most, are still "religious" if not cult-involved, and that some elements of my previous post might be offensive. Let it be known that my atheism (newly REdiscovered) and distain for "belief" does not mean that I want to hurt anyone, even if inadvertantly. I have been around th
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Hey there Skippy-- Thanks so much for your long response. Your general views echo many of my own conclusions about Bnei Baruch--just a great amount of information to do with, use, as you see fit, right? A "leader" who doesn't appear to be in it for any of the usual cult leader trips? No requests for money whatsoever, free stuff, difficulty even, when it comes to trying to hel
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
13 years ago
outtathere
Hello Folks--A lot has been written about the Kabbalah Centres and Philip Berg, but I'd like to ask if anyone here has any knowledge whatsoever about the outfit at: www.kabbalah.info That's Bnei Baruch, somewhere in Isreal. Anyway, long story short, I want to communicate, if possible with anyone who knows about them--or--anyone here who speaks/writes Hebrew because it's more lik
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