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10 years ago
dsm
Looking down the page, it looks like you are spamming the whole forum. almost no threads at all can get above these turning point repetitios posts. Just my 2 cents.
Forum: Destructive Churches
10 years ago
dsm
What you are presenting, Oerlikon, is strong criticism of TFP's political view and their philosophical activities and intellectual alliances. Only a financial investigation could show if one organization is a "front" for another. There is nothing wrong with numerous organizations promoting similar ideas, that is just human nature. You are using biased sources, especially the t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
It is a strong political movement that certainly has its enemies, but in a free society strong political movements are not considered cults. The history that TFP posts in its website makes the political activism very clear. No one could claim they were fooled into thinking they were attending a simple prayer group if they join TFP after seeing its own literature. It only took me a few minutes to
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
That is the first time I see that one but I did know there are a lot of political/religious mix groups in South America. That does not look like a destructive cult because it has all the necessary information for anyone to make an informed choice about joining and it has the legal financial tracking stuff. Of course it is a cult in the "positive" sense of having some unusual beliefs
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Here is a Catholic article that might be overlooked by non-Catholics because the first section asserts doctrine and authority of the Pope that of course is weird to non-Catholics, but the last part is very important for its discussion of all the weird little groups that actually pull people into cult mind-control groups that are not Catholic but that masquerade and take advantage of Catholic tole
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Here is a quote from a Catholic website that describes a cult that has been very upsetting to many of us, who mostly do not discuss this with media. It is ten years old, but the inner-Church cult it is describing is thriving (The title refers to the idea many Catholics have that there has been an internal Protestant Reformation that finishes the work Martin Luther started in the 1500's. That
Forum: Destructive Churches
10 years ago
dsm
"die well" also sounds like a threat.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
As far as Catholics and political cults, here are a couple of relevant links: an article: and a search full of links on the main "hub" of political/social action cults inside the Catholic Church, some of which have been excommunicated but still operate:
Forum: Destructive Churches
10 years ago
dsm
Oh, here is a HUGE alert: I just looked at a parish newsletter and there appears to be a person in our church hierarchy who uses both an anglo and a hispanic last name. At first I thought there was just a co-incidental common first name (with an odd spelling) but they share the same phone number. NatLFed, my old cult, that I also identify with TBTN, the one I think is involved with Miss Arr
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 years ago
dsm
It's kind of like "going out of business" at the furniture store..... **ducks rotten tomatoes being thrown**
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
The fact that Sommers does not follow the cult-fighter's line makes her material even more important. She goes at it from only one perspective, and that is the persepective of "honest data". As far as her assisting in the founding of NOW, that also supports the story, since the original purpose of NOW was supported by many people and it quickly veered off course. Which is to be ex
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 years ago
dsm
Here is a quote corboy posted in another thread on a related cult that mentions TBTN, and the related cult was famous for inventing fronts to infiltrate mainstream churches: >>>>>>How High Value Recruits are Enticed: >>>>Quote: For all the attorneys, doctors and other professionals out there: the analogy between the NATLFED entities and Scientology does seem
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 years ago
dsm
Hi Sparky, If you want an independent look at the cult in action, read "Who Stole Feminism?" by Christina Hoff Sommers. The exact same cult, TBTN. I was actually an employee at a small college that she describes, and I actually witnessed one of the mob attacks that she describes. I bet at least a few of these cults have Scientology material as well as NatLFed in their training
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 years ago
dsm
I hope no one minds if I update this. It is turning into an ongoing story. My original fears that I was just being "triggered" (please note: this term does NOT denote association with the Neil Brick cult) by someone with a cult-like personality are giving way to almost absolute certainty that I am dealing with a full-cult activist. In my original post I noted that Miss Arrogance wo
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 years ago
dsm
QuoteVera CityQuotejust-googling And we believed that Chris was going to use the political system to spread love for God; however, it seems like he is using the system to spread hate for man. Googling, you always sum things up so perfectly! Given Gabbard's history, I am also puzzled by the Democratic Party support in Hawaii. ??? What do you mean?
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Well, so much of the argument ran off into personal back-and-forth and I could see that this is a cult but there have been accusations that seemed more personal than process-driven. I only had one twinge of doubt and that is when I saw the story of the whippings and McKay's explanation seemed reasonable and there was NO rebuttal given at that time. I had not seen the rest of this, which
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
It is easy to fool people in print. A video appearance is best because the interactions between a cultist and an objective journalist are always visible even if they choose their words carefully and so the viewers can at least sense that something is wrong.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Thank you, Oerlikon, yes that does clear up any doubts I had about that part of it.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Has anyone gotten any senior "destinites" into a debate or journalistic confrontation, similar the Jesus Christian group on the Jeremy Kyle TV show or what Fox News did with the Westboro Cult?
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Hi Stoic, thank you for jumping into this particularly muddy swamp. I now see where your nic comes from... my mother was Irish Catholic and one of her favorite sayings was "a little pain never hurt anyone..." ;) You know, I think that your mention of the Jesuits and your discovery of Thomas Merton make a good point. The Jesuits were founded by a wounded veteran, Ignatius Loyo
Forum: Destructive Churches
10 years ago
dsm
I think the worst impact of this 2012 crap is on young people trying to make plans for their graduations. There are too many adults in the community colleges and places like that who are exploiting their gullibility just to keep them attentive in classes. That is just one link following my rigoruous research/debate method of asserting something in a post and then googling for about three s
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Quotenew2this...... Thanks for yet another reason to stay connected to our new technology. I always thought, by the way, that being indoctrinated into the Catholic religion early in life was like an innoculation against cults later b/c Catholicism is so imbued with mysterys, regimens, etc., that it is the ultimate cult onto itself, and best of all, it is the truth of course. I'd be inter
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Thank you for that article, Anticult. Here is question & answer #19, and it is exactly what makes me hoppin' mad about the media: 19. What about the scary ads for the new film 2012? They tell us to look at these Internet sites to verify the doomsday threat. The pseudoscientific claims about Nibiru and a doomsday in 2012, together with distrust of the government, are being amplified
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
I'm looking at the videos now. He never blinks!
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
oh, well at least I was not the first in 2010 to notice it... (I guess you can tell it was a slow night in the web....)
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Miss Arrogance has managed to convince someone else at the church that she works for the State Department. I do believe she is indeed working for a cult. There is one, within the Democrat party and the women's centers, that collects information as its stock in trade and openly brags of its ability to blackmail anyone with anything it wants to make up because those filthy creeps will sprin
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
10 years ago
dsm
I used to hang out in the old "spiritweb" group and there was a cluster of "lightworkers" there. They are big on hypnosis and they are pretty good at getting people to co-operate in teamwork. Most of them are fully conscious that they are running a con, IMHO. Are you familiar with Thomas Merton, the Buddhist/Trappist monk who once wrote for the Village Voice? (I think it wa
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Well, new2this, I think that the group around that website do bear watching because there are a lot of these new-age apocalyptic cults and they have their own take on conspiracies and only a few will actually become activist groups. Sometimes it is interesting to compare right-wing survivalists and new age starseed conspiracy theories just for entertainment ;) Conspiracy theories by themselve
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
Except for the reference to "Progressive" which suggests a strong political activism, I don't see anything that is different from most of the other modern New Age social site. They have all the trappings: karma-talk, channelings, starseed children. But that is all ideology. "Cult" concerns are more to do with people getting sucked into group activities that ultimately tur
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
10 years ago
dsm
ok, I registered and I see what appears to be a typical new age social site except for one thing: the word "progressive" in the "Breaking News" section is purely political and usually identified with the atheist stalinist old left who have re-incarnated themselves in the left fringe of the Democrats since the "New Left" of the 60's fizzled out in a purple haze.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
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