Instead of Mind Control Call it Monopolizing Attention and Information Channels? If we refer to 'Mind Control' people panic, get angry and see it as a suggestion that they are too weak to withstand it. THen they can be easily flattered by persons insinuating they are strong and can become stronger by listening to the con artist and ignorign those of us offering warnings. Instead,
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Hypothetical Scenario Which is Just My Opinion and For Which I Have No Proof (Product of having read too many spy novels) And...in the case of certain organizations, what better way for a desperate member to demonstrate loyalty to The Cause than to make an utter nuisance of themselves by trolling on RR.com? *It fills the RR.com channel with noise and disinformation. *It gives the tr
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Last September, we did a troll count on just this BK thread: Here is the result of a search of the message board. QuoteQuote: from Helpme2times: corboy Troll Count as of September 8th 2008 Daphne, Anticultist, ralpher, Randomstu, prsp (or something like that) Ex Scientology Kid, cultcity and Idunno. I found more trolls in this thread (may have missed some): golfer6716 ed
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Instead of dealing with each disruptor, one by one, it'd be more interesting to find out the role these disruptors play--whether they're all free agents?? If so, its an astounding achievement if a business can get so many people enthralled by its product that they freely, independently, and for NO PAY, show up in droves on the single independent website that exists and try to disrup
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How to Kick Byron Katie Out of Your Mind--RECOVERY TIPS If you are a Christian: Imagine BK is running at a money changers table at the entrance to the Jerusalem Temple. Watch Jesus kick BK her out and her followers out. "This is a house of prayer, not a market!' If you are Jewish, see Simon Weisenthal and Elie Wiesel. If you had forebears who died in the Nazi concentration c
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We're doing something right. Disruptors keep arriving. Skeptical Republican seems especially interested in Anticult, being condescending, trying to find out what Anticult's role is, here on this board. Dont let any of these characters goad us into anger. They'd love to do exactly that, and they're not worth our vitality. Again, we are getting lots of these vi
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From the Feel Good Girl website--more stuff on Amma Thanks for the Free Publicity, “Cult Of The Hugging Saint” Exposed--descriptions of harassment suffered by the author following her earlier article on Amma (contains reports that Amma underfeeds and overworks her volunteers. And...this very troubling report from someone alleging that that Amma jeers at her western devotees during dar
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I dont know if this site still exists, but there is one called www.dontdatehimgirl.com It may be a source of info from women who have identified these creeps in action. We got some great stuff about One Taste from this site.
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Lets ignore anatta and the other disruptors. They dont respect the terms of use have failed to earn our attention and respect. Keep concentrating on the deep structure of how these set ups work. Or we can always re-run our best older posts, the ones new visitors to the thread are unlikely to have read, given how huge this has become. Someone should pull up the material noting when BK
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QuoteStoic wrote: The confidence actually refers to the amount of confidence the 'mark' has to place in the conman for the trick to have any chance at all of being pulled successfully. Confidence in these cases means trust and it is the betrayal of trust that is so painful when anyone falls for these tricks. Knowing that their trust has been so comprehensively and cynically abu
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If you want to talk about enlightenment, go to venues where that is the topic of discussion, such as non duality salon. We are not equipped to discuss enlightenment on RR.com. What RR.com is set up for is to investigate ego driven activities such as concealing methods of covert influence and high pressure sales are the language of enlightenment, that is, to say, poisoning a well. We dont ta
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QuoteJupiter wrote But what REALLY bugs me is this concept of 'Crisis' - a psychological breakdown, which cult researchers routinely call a 'breaking point,' is promoted as the piercing arrow of spiritual enlightenment. Crisis = very good; rational thought = very very very bad. In EST and its later versions Forum and (currently) Landmark Education, Werner put a lot of
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"The new method seems to be to try to totally conceal the techniques inside a "spiritual" system, on an audience with no experience in these areas. " This is the Real Secret, folks. Cynical marketeers are perverting mysticism by slipping anti-mystical manipulative SHIT into a candy coating of spirituality and transformation--the domain in life to which to which people co
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Final note: QuoteI've made a lifelong study of the mystics, and it seems to me that Byron Katie's message is consistent with what sages have been saying for millennia. BK is no mystic. She's an advertising celebrity merely using the language of mysticism. Anyone can learn to patter the language of mysticism. Someone said the devil can quote the Bible to suit his own purpos
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QuoteI've made a lifelong study of the mystics, and it seems to me that Byron Katie's message is consistent with what sages have been saying for millennia. In fact, our word mysticism derives from the Greek word mystikos Quotehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mystic (mystikos), “‘secret, mystic’”) < (mystes), “‘one who has been initiated’”). The American Heritage Dictio
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A lot of these fringe types LOVE to rent rooms from hospitals, universities and Buddhist centers that have an honored name, because these settings give 'derivative legitimacy' to the entity renting the room. The entity merely rents space from the aforesaid instition and *allows* those who attend to assume that the event or guru is endorsed by the institution, when its merely just ren
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Hi Sparrow, to get to the juicy stuff, do a search of the message board and run searches for 'all dates'. Use 'continuing education module' and that will give you some stuff Do a search on 'fiduciary' Do a search on 'confidentiality'--on Guruphiliac there is a worrisome report by Arienariadne who attended a BK 9 day event that raises concerns
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In case this has not yet been posted, here is some information--a LOT of information [4d-don.blogspot.com] one can compare this to a paper published by one of the Western Sufi centers derived from some of the folks itemized in this research paper.
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Look for the entry titled 'My EBE Experience' Just in case this has not been posted, here is a new blog
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Ingredients of the cultic milieu--and I have probably not covered them all. Note--none of these by itself is necessarily a cult. But these form boundary markers for a social scene in which recruiters can fish and media types can advertise any product, whether its a food or a vitamin, body care product or a guru. First, magazines serving the Buddhist and yogista communities. Look at the ad
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'Take what you like and leave the rest' was part of the 12 Step lingo years before Cockroach Lady ever arrived on the scene. Its a phrase that has reassuring implications because it clicks right in with 12 step groups which is where many people do start out and then look for resources to continue healing themselves. It should be noted that part of the 12 step traditions is that on
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An Educational Article on How DDos Attacks are Perpetrated QuoteTech 101: How a denial-of-service attack works By JORDAN ROBERTSON, AP Technology Writer - Wed Jul 8, 2009 3:53PM EDT How does this type of cyber attack work? And how can people make sure their computers are safe? Here are some questions and answers about the attack. Q: What is a "denial-of-service" attac
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Be very careful with that book, Halfway Up the Mountain. By the time you finish it, you may risk feeling as though your life is going to go down the drain and you're an ego driven self indulgent worm unless you submit yourself to a guru who will pound you into submission. Now, you wont read that in the book. But...if you do read the book through, monitor your states of mind and emo
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Carlos, there is also a concept, 'cultic milieu' which may be a good model for what you are trying to grasp. This denizens of this milieu think themselves as 'cultural creatives' and as part of a liberating alternative to mainstream society. The ironiy is they are still very much part of mainstream culture, and have been identified as a lucrative niche market. Denizens
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You can learn to do cold reading without even knowing you have learned to do it. Read what this person has said and read the whole article. She said she had actually picked up the cold reading technque through cultural osmosis. (google cold reading to learn more. Also google 'yes set' its a common sales technique to break down resistance and it can be done to you over the phone. Also g
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And it may be that many who have been or are celebrated as Jnanis may have actually been suffering from solipsistic syndrome. And its possible that some are fascinated by reading about such persons, thinking its their wisdom teachings that are fascinating, when perhaps subconsciously, the actual fascinating for some readers is that these persons weresocially inept and withdrawn yet by speaking
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QuoteSolipsism syndrome has been postulated as a danger which may be faced by those living in space or on another planet for extended periods of time. It may also become a hazard now that more and more of us are interacting with computers rather than living breathing present persons, and plugging into iPods. I met a fellow yesterday whose iPod earpieces were decorated as jewelry with tiny
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Christa, thanks for correcting me on my TV trivia. Good old Hawaii-Five-O. Am hearing the theme music in my head, right now.
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Ignore the hecklers. Dont stop the music. Here's another Golden Oldie--the Aikido Handshake
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Some discussion about Jaggi the capitalist guru and former chicken feather-plucker here. (Page 5 of a 5 page article) According to the dicussion on page 5 Banya-Jaggi is now selling products via the Isha Shoppe. I looked up the incense, as incense is usually the cheapest thing in a gift shop. Price is Rs.208.00--208 Indian Rupees According to the currency exchange table
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