Cheryl & Dave or should I say Chez & C? Sorry I find it oftensive to use your pals name, which in my dictionary is slang for poo!! Certainly not “very godly” or holy. Why do you blame others eg Lifegate Church for your problems? We don’t pray against anyone, we pray in love (you know that word your so devoid of dear Cheryl) for people/family’s Kirkby to be saved and for unity
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QuoteWho is James, I assume he is someone that joined after 1996 and has since left. Did he also get married? James is the same as Xenophone from these boards. He is now married to Ufuoma. They have been out for about a year. Here are all of his postings, compiled for your convenience: Xenophone Junior Member Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 25 PostPosted: 09-06-2006 06:25 A
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QuotePaul submitted to the elderes in Jerusalem. Depends on what you mean by submit. He certainly did not "submit" in the manner you suggest and a close reading of the New Testament shows when he disagree with them and felt he was right, he taught different things, minor issues admittedly for the most part, than they did, and he rebuked Peter, perhaps the leading apostle/disciple to
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QuoteSpeakTruthEveryone: If you have an personal issue with someone, it would be most beneficial and bold to confront them face to face. If you have a question that you do not know the answer to, please ask in a subjective manner. It seems so simple for someone (with or without authority) to logon to the internet and say whatever they feel like behind someone's back, or even make up a story
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Everyone: If you have an personal issue with someone, it would be most beneficial and bold to confront them face to face. If you have a question that you do not know the answer to, please ask in a subjective manner. It seems so simple for someone (with or without authority) to logon to the internet and say whatever they feel like behind someone's back, or even make up a story that has no va
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Ok this is a good. Mad props TMAC. "I am still waiting for the followers of Tony and RLC to explain their cause. Tell me why will you attend a church that has a Pastor who instructs false teachings?" -TMAC Aaron Love's Cause: before i start note "I am a follower or Christ not that other guy you keep referring too, although i can't speak for others" My cause
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QuoteThe AnticultBasically every point being made by "Mikko" is contrary to the facts about Unity. For instance, Unity is based on the writings of the Fillmore's, which are the very definition of Magical Thinking, if not outright deception, fraud, and nonsense. The Fillmore's were business people out to make serious money, and appear to have fabricated their personal "he
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Basically every point being made by "Mikko" is contrary to the facts about Unity. For instance, Unity is based on the writings of the Fillmore's, which are the very definition of Magical Thinking, if not outright deception, fraud, and nonsense. The Fillmore's were business people out to make serious money, and appear to have fabricated their personal "healings".
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Every time I read a post in which someone claims to have been "hurt" by Religious Science, Unity, or a similar group, I find myself thinking, "Let's place the blame where it belongs." Spiritual Mind Treatment, for example, is simply a method of prayer. That's all it is. It's not taught as magical thinking, and it's not intended to be a substitute for per
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I must say that reading these posts makes me wonder if any of those proclaiming Unity a "destructive church" ever actually attended a Unity Church. Proclaiming the teachings of Unity "magical thinking" belies a complete and profound misunderstanding of the teachings of the Unity School of Christianity. I've been to many Unity Churches, and the greatest mistake they
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Pastor Sees Room on Mall for Slave Tribute By David Cho Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday, March 8, 2003; Page B01 Something is missing from the Mall, says Herndon pastor Brett Fuller. When he walks its length, Fuller sees monuments to great presidents, marble parks depicting history-changing events and walls of black granite bringing comfort to relatives of war casualties. But there
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First, I haven't read through the articles you posted much. I don't have internet connection at home, and I'm posting this from work (dangerous, I know!) I did notice that much of the opposition to IHOP and Bickle is based on the Kansas City Prophets movement and the Metro Christian Fellowship, both things passed away. Bickle stated in Charisma Magazine in 1993: We had an e
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QuoteTruthtestyMy personal beliefs are my own. I have said before that if Paul's words contradict Jesus's words then Paul's words are "out the window". Colonel Thieme taught many times. That many things Jesus said were to Jews, as a Jew, who were all yet under the Law. Many of the things (not all) that Jesus taught were directed towards those living in the age
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To genez Truthtesty quote QuoteYou wish! lol My personal beliefs are my own. I have said before that if Paul's words contradict Jesus's words then Paul's words are "out the window". Pauline christians would like to give the appearance that all words in the bible are equal, but they are not. That's just common sense. I didn't need a special lexicon or a pasto
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Kastlefeer, my thoughts go to you and your family at this time. Your mom needs a healthy dose of whup-ass. I am all for a comprehensive approach to illness (including "non-traditional"), however, these should always be adjunct with mainstream, allopathic medicine. I think many times we want to be distracted by "magical thinking" or new thought when we don't want to
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This is where i mention 'the secret' is the topic of the month @ mom's Religious Science church. Welcome to the affinity fraud beltway! Critical thinking is out, now open the doors to any that may, like wolves to the lambs I say! More complaint than logic; but I think you may agree with me here, I'm beginning to think 'new age' is more of a 'new dark a
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When accusations started coming against Phil Aguilar, the Pastor felt it necessary for the sake of the congregation to change our name. That does not speak to the accusations whether they are true or not. We simply felt it best to change our name and disassociate with them. We still continued in the things that we learned there. People spontaneously moved to the city on their own and we continued
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To brainout: Joint (860) (haphe from hápto = to connect, adjoin) refers to a juncture or point of contact of one part of body with another. Joints or parts of contact are very important among the members of Christ's body even as the joints are to the body (see note Colossians 2:19). Spiritually, these joints receive their nourishment from the Head, Christ (see note Colossians 1:18), but h
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Hi Only Me! It is good to hear from you again! Your imput is valuable on this site... One of the things I have learned as I have toured around this country as a Minister is that the church is an amazing thing. It doesnt matter what denomination I visited one thing became very clear. God speaks to his church. And it is amazing to hear the voice of God speaking in different ways to different chur
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Like all things we can't go into extremes ... but Unity is Christian per se but endorsing of New Thought/psuedoscience techniques that border on woo woo New Age. One of the hallmarks of something to take into consideration is what is the doctrine. Unity is liberal and its endorsment of the Secret movie leads me to believe that it is definitley edging towards LGAT in a religious context. Once
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To Galiban & Genez: Read the foreward of Dr. Wall's dissertation by Dr. John F Walvoord President of Dallas theological Seminary QuoteA balanced and fair evaluation of the extensive teachings of Robert Thieme has been overdue. The writer of this volume has achieved a balance between proper recognition of the good qualities of the teaching ministry of Colonel Robert B. Thieme
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I have been attending a Unity Church in North Atlanta for about the past three months. The meetings are in a lovely chapel (bereft of any symbols) and feature a "traditional" style of service (music, prayer, sermon, offering). What troubles me is that the services are exactly the same. Despite the slight variation of the sermons, the events are extremely repetitive. I have witne
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Its more than a little ironic that often those who go to Unity and RS, and places like that, have their heads in the clouds, and their feet in the shit. Perhaps they have stuck their heads in the clouds to escape that fact that their feet are in the shit and they can't get out. When in reality the best thing most of them could do is take a good look at REALITY, and then try to handle that f
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In my undergraduate studies accounting was not one of my strong suits and is, frankly, of no interest to me- I trust the accountants who are hired by my church and the fact that they report to the government is enough for me personally (plus I know that there are others in the church with better financial skills then me who are keeping an eye on things!) And I’m not sure how (and even surprised
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I have NO desire to preach here!!!! And i do not want to post anything for the purpose of trying to persuade opinions here. I do however think this is a relevant point to be made regarding Newsong City Central. I STRONGLY recommend taking your questions or concerns directly to the leadership of the church you are concerned about. Anyone in ministry for any period of time will quickly understa
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I thought I’d try to add a little to the conversation on Newsong City Central. Mostly though, I would love to be a resource for gathering correct information regarding the ministry. My name is Gabriel and I was a part of Newsong for over five years and have been involved in many aspects of the ministry. Currently I am a full time youth pastor at a church in Olympia WA. I completed the majorit
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Here is the article I mentioned in my previous post. Written my Mark Roggeman Notice when you read this how Mr. Roggeman finally points out to all of us how these LGATs all have a common background and are really "interconnected". Note, the Banquet that is given for these men on the last day was food brought in by the recruits and refrigerated until the last day. MKP did not sup
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Dan Millman is a respected writer in these kinds of circles. He has a number of bestselling books. I thought his take on The Secret, from his blog might be of interest. QuoteMy Thoughts about “The Secret” Thursday January 04th 2007, 1:58 pm Filed under: Dan's Posts Some weeks ago, a young man wrote to us, declaring, “In six months I’m going to have three million dollars, the woman of
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I see. I feel for you. It's amazing to me the way these things get turned around where the abused falls so quickly into a guilt trip and then apologizes to their abuser. It's the Stockholm Syndrome all over again! Talk about enabling the abuser and making him feel entitled so then he can feel like he is doing his best for 'god' err Mitchell. Then again, there is no difference
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. . LARRY TOMCZAK AND RICE BROOCKS: "Larry Tomczak, apostolic leader and author, is celebrating his 35th year in ministry with a transition from Atlanta to Nashville to establish a training center devoted to New Testament evangelism and church-planting fueled by prayer. Co-laboring with him are Rice Broocks – co-founder of Every Nation Ministry, a network of 400 churches in 50 countri
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