its been almost three years since this incident happened... GET OVER IT! Are you mad because you were one of the ones asked to leave? QuoteA Truth SeekerFrank, what are your thoughts about this "3 days to repent" correspondence that Rob Scribner and Harrison Sommer wrote to those who wanted nothing to do with Wayman Mitchell in their Foursquare church anymore? Here is that lett
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First off, "By their fruits ye shall know them" pretty much sums it up. My thoughts are on this is the mark of a cultist and someone who is bringing division into the Body of Christ, and specifically Foursquare and it's of the highest level especially considering Mitchell's tawdry rebellious history with Foursquare. For anyone to read this Scribner character's let
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My experiences in young adulthood are similar to QuestionEverything's. I, too, thought that changing my religion (Roman Catholicism) would give me the key to enlightenment. I went from the Roman Catholic church to the Episcopal, then Lutheran (ELCA), and then branched into "new thought" religions. A New Thought-y internet friend of mine~ a devout Abraham-Hicks, Louise Hay, Jane
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Frank, what are your thoughts about this "3 days to repent" correspondence that Rob Scribner and Harrison Sommer wrote to those who wanted nothing to do with Wayman Mitchell in their Foursquare church anymore? Here is that letter again: ***** The Lighthouse Church Our church has just been put through a very difficult and divisive time. The difficulty and division has been
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My former friend had expressed to me about a year ago her frustration at being unable to spread "Divine Will" in our Parish. (I refused to help her until I'd read all the Volumes and understood it). Ironically, her own condescention and uncharitable example probably turned people off from anything she had to offer them spiritually. She is the reason there is no "Divine Wil
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Quotecounselor47QuoteNathanAI do not mean to take the thread off topic Doug. I don't know the ins and outs of how TFI disiplines. I know that you would say it is not disipline, but abuse. I understand what it is like to talk to frustrating and ignorant people, ie. I have talked with members of the church of scientology who refuse to entertain new possibilites.(in my view) Know that is pa
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Extract from JC Newsletter . 'The media has shown some interest in our connections with freeganism, and Dave and Cherry are being featured in a short film being produced for the Film and Television School in Sydney. A student newspaper editor will also be visiting with Dave and Cherry this weekend with an interest in writing about our style of education through literature. Dave
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QuoteNathanAI do not mean to take the thread off topic Doug. I don't know the ins and outs of how TFI disiplines. I know that you would say it is not disipline, but abuse. I understand what it is like to talk to frustrating and ignorant people, ie. I have talked with members of the church of scientology who refuse to entertain new possibilites.(in my view) Know that is part of my way of
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Just a brief comment about Religious Science and Doctors...They are not Christian Science.. People of New thought(Science of Mind,Unity,Divine Science) Believe that positive thinking and affirmations are very necesarry to help you heal. But they also believe that GOD works through the Medical field.(DENTIST,MD, surgeons, transplants etc) And they encourage all to always seeks medical attentio
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I've heard plenty Mike Bickle, and I have some friends who've been involved with shooling at IHOP, and you are definately distorting the mans message to justify your anger. There are a growing number of charismatic churches today who believe in spiritual authority. This kind of swept through the charismatic scene with John Bevere's teachings in series' like Under Cover and
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"Why? The Trinity, as I know you believe, is the most important and most essential doctrine, but yet how does MSI see it? Shame on MSI or any professing Christian church that does not accurately define and exalt the tri-unity of God. And how dishonoring to God to have (a) Oneness implied statements (out of ignorance or not) on MSI’s Statement of Faith and (b) support Oneness advocates such a
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MARANATHA AS PLANTATION ANALOGY It may seem strange to an outsider when I mention the word “status” with regards to MCM. One of the reasons that I had joined MCM was that I perceived that it was an egalitarian “Band of Brothers and Sisters” on a “Mission from God.” We were all equally committed right? We were, as Paul implied in his letter to Corinth, “equal members of the body of Christ” righ
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Quote You have it backwards. In New Thoughts, you are perfect as you are because you are a manifestation of God as you. Nowhere in New Thought is there a doctrine that you must be fixed. I don't think that I have it backwards at all, If you read my post, I am not saying there is a doctrine that states you must be fixed. What I stated is that there is an underlying message of needing to be
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To answer your question, I do believe some of the teachings. However I have discovered some real contradictions in the dogma. One example is how you are considered "Perfect as you are" While at the same time there is an underlying message that you need to go to all these classes an workshops to fix you. How can you be perfect and fundamentally flawed at the same time? You have it
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I understand the questions over his degree but it might be a little naive to rate him based just on that. When I consider the man's list of credentials I am give pause to think that perhaps attacking every little nuance can shut one off from seeing other things. Anyway, I found this on the website and I expect most of it can be varified by people interested in the truth of them. (see
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New Thought, heh funny that sounds so familiar to me. I don't know much about the Unity church folks keep bringing up. My exposure to new thought is through this Church of Religious Science my folks go to. Ernest Holmes being the founder I'm told. Anyhow much to my annoyance I constantly hear my mother talking about 'new thought' as some sort of huge boon to everyone. I don
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QuoteI think what helped me decide to leave Unity was the realization that there was no genuine intimacy with the members of the group. Even after going regularly for over a year, I had not established even one close relationship. I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me. I am going to take a break from church and see how a feel afte
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Carol, I think what helped me decide to leave Unity was the realization that there was no genuine intimacy with the members of the group. Even after going regularly for over a year, I had not established even one close relationship. The Unity Church I was going to was all about volunteering and chasing after any new age gurus that happened to be in vogue. Yet none of the teachings helped to
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Quote think the fact that you are feeling guilt is telling about your involvement with Unity. To me it says that you are not there 100% freely, of your own choice. That by not going to church at Unity you see yourself as a "bad" person. Are there any positive reasons that you would want to continue going to Unity? Do you believe the new thought teachings? If not, and you continue to go
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Hi Mindful, I think it's pretty normal to feel confused and even depressed when you begin questioning something that has been a part of your life for a while. After I left Unity, I still felt for a while that I needed to be part of a "spiritual organization" and did briefly try a couple of other things but quickly decided they were not for me. I no longer feel the need to be i
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Thanks for the advice. I go to a Unity church, and I know that it is not a cult. However, after being there for a few years I have seen that the open minded atmosphere can lead to cult type workshops and activities. I also feel like I have slowly been loosing my criticle thinking skills. Thanks again for the welcome and advice. I just needed a safe place to clear my head. Carol
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mm: Read the disclaimer. I have never said that the Mormon Church is a "cult," it is a controversial organization or religion. Note: You didn't respond to the complete lack of historical or any objective proof regarding the "Book of Mormon" That is a "troll" non-response and a evasion. See Trolls Note: Several Wiktionary system operato
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Quoteinitiate wrote: The world view you present is a frightening one, where people have no power to think for themselves or resist the overtures of cults. Nor are they held accountable for their participation. rrmoderator wrote: We do live in a "frightening" world and cult brainwashing is one of the frightening things about it. We see it in suicide bombings, cult mass suicides and
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Today I received the letter that I wrote about in my last post from Jane Doe. This letter was a response to members who wanted the church to be separated from Wayman Mitchell's group. Jane said this letter was delivered to church members in early July 2002. Here it is: * * * The Lighthouse Church Our church has just been put through a very difficult and divisive time. The difficult
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Unity sounds alot like RS to me. My mom is a regular at RS services. She was introduced to the LE FORUM by members there. She was offered jobs with various multi level marketing schemes by the same members. They've also started some NLP courses being taught right in the church and have occasionally had some New Age style self help seminar circuit replete with books and tapes type grade A jac
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Colter states: Quote* In AA the God concept is entirely a personal matter for the individual to define. One does NOT have to believe in anyone else's concept of God. In my home group we have 2 atheist', a Jewish man, two Sufis Muslims, 2 nature worshipers, a Christian Scientist, me a Urantia Book reader, and others that I'm not sure about. The spirituality of AA is quite progres
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* In AA the God concept is entirely a personal matter for the individual to define. One does NOT have to believe in anyone else's concept of God. In my home group we have 2 atheist', a Jewish man, two Sufis Muslims, 2 nature worshipers, a Christian Scientist, me a Urantia Book reader, and others that I'm not sure about. The spirituality of AA is quite progressive but without being
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Hello Bonnie and others, This is a very interesting topic considering my life long membership of AA. I'm also a Urantia Book reader and have studied all the major religions of the world. I'm a member of a Presbyterian church mainly for the sake of my wife and children but my primary spiritual focus is the quest for truth and meaning in life anywhere it may be found. In Bonnies n
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Most interesting to return here after such a long absence and find that this topic still has life in it. Vicarion -- are you an old and dear friend of mine from the old Unity forum battles, by any chance? If so, I'm glad to see that you are posting here -- and "what a long, strange trip it's been", eh? :D I shudder to think what fresh hell I would find if I were to vent
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To all whom care for their loved ones. My story in the works is cut and pasted below. Homer and Ruby, This letter is about facts not truths. It is about reality. My hope with this letter is to help Cherie, Robbie and Hailey. I did not know whom to alert with this information. Dave and Nanny, Rex and Suzie I feared would be overwhelmed. I know you both care for the kids and for Ch
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