I just scanned another sickening ScamDad book called "Retire Young, Retire Rich". This book is a travesty. Seriously. Firstly, its laden with many disclaimers, in seperate boxes, so one can imagine that they have had legal problems, and are attempting to block those troubles. There are so many absurd and vague claims in this book, one doesn't know where to begin. Near the e
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More of these goofy Rich Dad books arrived from the library after a long waiting list. Sadly lots of people seem to want to read them. In his book, "Rich Dad's Guide To Investing" he tells us that he wants to become a Billionaire. He goes on about how the American public education system needs to be privatized, like health care is privatized in the US. So he wants to become
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Aurora - It is the lying that hurts. It is the secretiveness that hurts too. For me, it first came in my LGAT participation. I recall a journalist telling me how he was invited by the leader of my LGAT, Robert Kiyosaki - "Money and You", to do a story on him. It was 1am on Sunday morning when groups of 5 were playing the "blocks game", trying to communicate the essence of
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Aurora - It is the lying that hurts. It is the secretiveness that hurts too. For me, it first came in my LGAT participation. I recall a journalist telling me how he was invited by the leader of my LGAT, Robert Kiyosaki - "Money and You", to do a story on him. It was 1am on Sunday morning when groups of 5 were playing the "blocks game", trying to communicate the essence of w
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Hi Aurora, Up to October 2003, I still had many sayings and "words" from my LGAT, (Robert Kiyosaki's "Money and You") running around in my head from my participation in 1991-2. Oct. 2003 is the time when I was no longer in denial about my LGAT. Prior to that date I somehow still thought of it positively though parts of my conscience attributed my LGAT experience to
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The LGAT concept of "Miracle Of Love" reminds me of some thoughts I had in 1991 but more on that at the end... The 6 Day "Intensive", LGAT differs in its labeling of the state of Transformation with other LGATs. (note the website has a registered mark on "Intensive", a common word - I didn't think that was permissible) As discussed in other threads, the T
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Oh Sylvia - The USA swim team will be safe from terrorists but not safe from the Aussie mean machine swim team. Seriously, it should all be allot of fun. Firewalking - yep, I've done that during my Kiyosaki days. I got the most amazing high from that phoney experience. From what I understand, hot coals actually transmit heat very slowly. Firewalking would be allot different, (and dangerou
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QuoteCosmophilospherThat must be a technique of Thought Reform. Take a complex idea from a "famous Genius" so you get Credibility, use the same word he used, but totally pervert and change the MEANING and usage of that word to whatever suits the Cult Leader's interests. Don't forget it's also coupled with an environment that's uncomfortable, very difficult to le
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>>These guys must be working from a Manual. >>Is there a Mind Control Cult Leaders Manual out there? I am only >>partially joking. If someone knows of one, could they PM me about its >>name? Coz, Ellen
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Bucky coined the term "Generalized Principle" as another way of saying "Law Of Nature". So the laws of Gravitation, Entropy, Law of Conservation of Energy, etc. all LEGIT scientific ideas were explained as Generalized Principles. (Bucky also coined his own terms like Syntropy, Synergetics, etc. ) Bucky was 100% opposed to starting out with what is called "a priori"
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Spiritual exploitation is when an experience is orchestrated that touches our depths, while simultaneously our critical thinking is disabled through shame, word games, peer pressure, sleep deficit. Then when we are rendered soulfully vulnerable, our wallets and hearts are plundered. Thats the LGAT cocktail. There's one fine thing in it--triggering feelings of bliss and soulfulness, but t
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An example of Pachelbel's Kanon, (Canon) is: I hope it plays for you. The "Money and You" room was like a modern hotel auditorium. Aircond was adjusted during the afternoon and night to keep us awake - it was very cold. The room was kept very clean. The presenter, (Kiyosaki), worked the room from the stage. He was charasmatic until someone questioned him - that person being ri
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no, I never heard of Lozanov's work until now. This is all excellent stuff. That music you refer to--the composer's name is spelled Pachelbel. There is one piece often attributed to Pachelbel but often confused with another composition by Albernoni. Both compositions would be just the thing to manipulate emotions--they're heartbreaking. And, its probably no coincidence th
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Dr Lozanov's technique is "Suggestopedia" drawn from Yoga and involves the use of rhythm to invoke suggestion and auto-suggestion. Sounds like Mind-control to me. Lozanov chose baroque music rhythms as suggestive means and I recall Pacabell's Kanon played heavily during "Money and You" Corboy - Are you acquanted with Lozanov's work? I feel some healing is hap
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Thanks Coz for digging this information up. Through this info you passed on to me through mail, I have incidently discovered who trained who in the LGAT zoo. Interesting too that Anthony Robins was trained by Marshall Thurber! Let me preface the following with a reminder of my last post, that a person is not guilty by association. According to this link, ededge Marshall Thurber is a "
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Yes, thats a good point. It works both ways. Guilt by association. My GUESS is that the people these types of folks are openly talking about are the people who they are using for their own benefit. (Deming, Adam Smith, Jesus, God, etc) Its the people they are NOT talking about that are probably more important! Like the guys they learned the Mind Control Techniques from! I think this st
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Hi Coz - Thanks for picking this up. Kiyosaki et al definately used Bucky and Deming for credibility. The same tactics are being employed now by Kiyosaki establishing himself as a minstream best selling author. One thing we need to be careful of on this board is condemnation by association. I put Marshall Thurber in this class too as I don't know much about him other than he was the ar
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Hi there Oz, great stuff. I only want to make one point of clarification, for personal reasons. Buckminster Fuller is a man who's work I have studied for many years. I have literally read all of his books. What has happened, is some jackasses have taken Bucky's work, and totally perverted it in an attempt to gain credibility. Buckminster Fuller was the designer of the Geodesic D
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Coz - good detective work! Yes, this is the LGAT course From your links posted, I have also edited my origianal post to include the mastermind of "Money and You", Marshall Thurber, atterney and entrepreneur So it looks like Marshall Thurber, Blair Singer and Robert Kiyosaki are still very much alive and kicking in the Human Potental Movement. Here is also a link to the Bu
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Hi Oz, Its extremely interesting how Kiyosaki seems to have expunged "Money and You" from his life story. He talks about having an "international education company" but keeps it nice and general. There also seems to be very few references on the internet about it. You might consider sending some of your insider info on Kiyosaki to John Reed, who wrote up that massi
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Coz - I checked out Kiyosaki's "Rich Dad" website: It's very slick and in marketing terms, extremely "sticky". I noticed his wife Kim is still on the scene. She is a very smooth and suductive operator. I recall doing an evening seminar that Robert Kiyosaki and wife Kim delivered on relationships. Kiyosaki's Bio states that he sold his education company, (
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As far as the "Porsche", it could very well be he has cut some sort of "deal" with someone to promote it. The other motivational guys often build SPECIFIC cars into their Goal-Setting workshops. Robbins would talk about a Mercedes XLXX (or whatever). It would not surprise me if these guys cut some type of contra-deal with someone in the car business. Coz
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My experience with Kiyosaki has been negatively profound. Participating in his LGATs back in 1991-2 set me on a trail of personal destruction for 13 years. The effects of Kiyosaki on my life: The psychological processes he used in his LGATs had the following effects on my personality and life: 1. I became arrogant, only accepting that myself and fellow Kiyosaki "Money and You" gra
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Kiyosaki is a master at presentations. I recall from his LGAT weekend courses I attended back in 1991-2, he oozed confidence and masterfully handled the audience, (participants). Kiyosaki employed the same tricks that Landmark Trainers use, dodging questions, putting the focus back on the participant, ridiculing the participant while sucking up to the rest of the participants for "group&
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My morbid fascination with these charlatans seems to know no bounds. This Kiyosaki is just not bad, he is extremely bad. What he has done is deliberately target people who know almost nothing about personal finance. The reason is, if he goes after people who know what they are doing, he has more competition, and also has to deal with people who will figure out he is a scammer. So he has deli
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the book 'Rich Dad Poor Dad.' That book became a best seller. I bought a copy a long time ago. It had some good points, but eventually I felt more and more grim and depressed while reading it. I decided such emotions were more likely to lead to bad financial decision making. Here are some outsider comments on Mr Kiyosaki's book John T Reed's Analysis of Robert Kiyosak
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Robert Kiyosaki is still extremely active in Australia via Pow Wow Events International, his books and radio appearences in Perth. Here is some information as to his past that I know first hand: Kiyosaki managed and presented my LGAT back in 1991. It was called "Money and You". Marketing of the LGAT was managed through a franchise arrangement in each participating country. From re
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This Robert Kiyosaki, who wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad, and a bunch of other books, has been exposed as running a type of LGAT personality cult. He is supposedly a former est grad, and WAS a Tony Robbins grad. He is using ALL of the same techniques, and writing his deceptive little books of GET RICH QUICK, as BAIT, to upsell all of his Seminars, Tapes, Books, Coaching, etc etc to folks who are finan
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