SitUbuSit: Your post is barely coherent and rambling. What is your point posting here? Can you make a succinct point?
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"

I find the level of emotion in what I have read so far to be revealing. First, Tolle is not 100% correct, but be watchful to not toss the baby with the dirty bath water. Second, just because someone is not 100% correct does not mean they are 100% wrong either. I can testify to you of a personal understanding of my own self and how I work that has partially resulted from Tolle's writ
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Thanks. QuoteshimonTeh Miracles center link they do not have any Hawkins audios on it, you are mistaken, there is nothing to listen on there. That one has been deleted as well, strangely. He gave a talk on July 26, 2006 ( ). Perhaps if you contacted them they still have it somewhere or could get it to you if you wanted. QuoteshimonThe google video, I did see it before it was taken down. I
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Hi Phoenix Potter, I find your posts so awesome and informative, you rock man. I cant wait to read what you write. It is so helpful and refreshing to hear these perspectives. I cant wait to hear what is happening right at this moment. Please do share when you know more. Everything you share is so enlighteneing and thought provoking. I have gained so much already by reading you. Teh Miracle
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Below are the "39 criteria for identification of teachers and teachings with integrity" according to Hawkins. I address each. Identification and Characteristics of Spiritual Truth, Integrous Teachers and Teachings By Sir David R. Hawkins, MD, PhD 1. Universality: Truth is true at all times and places, independent of culture, personalities, or circumstances. Hawkins’ AK testin
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I tried to get information about the gurus of the Sedona Method via the internet, and ran into the same problem. Only glowing testimonials of how wonderful it was. Nothing even slightly critical of either the method or the gurus. I actually wasted quite a bit of money buying the tapes, books, and even took a couple of 2-day seminars. I can't say that it made a significant difference in
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"

QuoteSarahLhttp://www.nowsymbol.com/ For $6 plus $2 for shipping and handling we can buy a NOW symbol for our cars, for some reason we are instructed to place it on the left rear trunk area. The NOW Symbol Formed by two simple characters, the NOW symbol signifies the present moment. > represents the completed past. < represents the future, which is unknowable. The gap b
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I just came upon the following tragic story of a teenage girl's death in connection with an obsession with Eckhart Tolle's book, The Power of Now: Quote"Now" You're Dead As often happens, tragedy turns into a lesson. Although in this case, it's a profoundly painful one, because I know the victim's mother. According to Crime Library, 17-year-old Brianna Wil
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QuoteII have changed my stance on Landmark. I think it is good for a few people, ineffective for most, and positively dangerous for some. It attracts a lot of people with serious issues, and it is shallow and superficial at best. Some people are missing out on the serious counseling that they need, in order to make a few people very rich. It most definitely is not what you and other Landmark devo
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OK...let's see if I can remember what I wrote before the computer wiped it out. I am familiar with both Ekhart Tolle and Byron Katie and know people who are involved in that scene. IMO they don't set themselves up as gurus and simply refer to themselves as teachers. I have read parts of Tolle's book. I found it hard to get through the whole thing because it's a bit borin
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Darn! I had written a whole long answer and it's gone. :-( Maybe if I have time later I can re-create it.
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If you haven't already done so, run a search here on this site, some good threads on them both. I've looked over some info on Tolle and stay clear of him and anyone like him. Loaded confusing language is used (a.k.a. mumbo jumbo), focus is encouraged on his eyes and appearance, all too much like most every other charlatan.
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No experience with them per se, but definitely with their following and followers...they have been all the rage in a lot of Unity and Religious Science churches for the past few years. Especially Tolle. I remember when his "Power of Now" book first came out, he did a seminar in another part of in our state, and everyone was rushing to buy tickets, make motel reservations, and carpool ou
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In searching the web for the above two mystics, there only seem to be glowing accounts. I was exposed to the philosophies of these two through my experience with Unity. In particular, I find Byron Katie dubious in that she charges enormous amounts for her seminars. Eckhart Tolle also seems to be cashing in with all his books (Power of Now was his first book), seminars, even "Power of Now&
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Excerpt from portland craigslist post ( ): =========== At AngelVision, we do things a bit different. It is this uniqueness that has been the key to our success. We have adopted a unique management philosophy that promotes ownership and personal fulfillment. We are very dedicated to the success of our Clients and provide extended support that other companies would never provide. And… although
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There's an interesting discussion on BK on the integralnaked.org forum, which can be read here: (Reading the material is free. If you wish to register as a member on the IN.org forum, you have to pay--read their terms) This new article describes how recovery takes place sequentially. The kind of question asking used by some spiritual teachers appears to be a powerful techni
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I just saw the old film "Invasion Of The Body Snatchers" (1956). Great old film. It made me think of all these cults and LGATS. Your friends and loved ones get into them, and then they "change". They look the same on the outside, but their thoughts, feelings and behaviors are different. They become like a Group Mind, they are highly organized, and they want to "con
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families

Hi PSI: Just be careful you don't "overreact". That is, we all bring our anger and hurt from our Cultic past to this, and could easily overreact. I would just keep it simple. Your religious/spiritual beliefs are personal and private, and have no place in the workplace. Period. I work with all sorts of people who belong to various cults, and wacko things. In "real life&
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I confronted my manager about bringing the ET affirmation cards to work. I told her that I wasn't trying to attack her personally. That I just needed to let her know how much it bothered me and ask her to not do it again. We had a brief discussion about how no religious material should be in our meetings. survivor
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ok, so a copy of Tolle audiobook "Stillness Speaks" arrived from the eternal library waiting list. This thing is absolutely hysterical. First, I thought my CD player was broken, as there is a HUGE pause of SILENCE at the top....................................... Too funny. Next, he talks in a German accent, with a British accent mixed in. Sort of a German with a British accent
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My concern is with teachers of enlightenment who do not invite their students to investigate their own cravings for enlightenment, their own ideas of what enlightenment is. What do seekers think enlightenment consists of? And why do they crave it so desperately? A lot of us may, unconsciously assume enlightenment means never feeling pain, shame or fear, ever again. Others may see certai
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From my perspective, any person who claims that they are "enlightened" and is "certified enlightened" by some guru, or Tolle, or whoever, is a con, delusional, or just plain obnoxious. The very Egotism behind the claim of being "enlightened" invalidates their claims. Ask their SPOUSE, or EX-SPOUSE if they are enlightened! Its mainly just a New Age sales trick,
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The group I experienced was with Katie Davis. The guy sitting up front with her was I believe Sundance Burke. He didn't say much when I was there. Both of these people have websites up and claim to be enlightened. They claim that Tolle agrees they are enlightened. They exist in a state of "presence". Isn't it interesting how they have taken the word "presence&qu
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The Demon Haunted World is truly a a terrific book. Its too bad Sagan died so soon after. He could have written a few more in this vein. There is so much great info packed into that book. Coz QuoteSarahL I am reading Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World, Science as a Candle in the Dark , he describes a purposeful hoax of this nature done by James Randi and a friend, José Alvarez.
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Thank you for this ENLIGHTENED post! You are much more "enlightened" than Tolle! I am serious when i say that. He is playing the Guru card. He is also promoted by New World Library, who are very big players in the New Age field. They MARKET-SELL the shit out of this stuff. Its Big Money, millions of dollars. You are correct. Religion is not appropriate in the workplace in this ma
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Holy CRAP! The LAST thing people need to do when driving is to flake out with that hypnotic mindf*ck stuff! Focus on the NOW of your DRIVING!!! Or this might be your LAST MOMENT ON EARTH! :lol: Coz QuoteSarahL The NOW Symbol Formed by two simple characters, the NOW symbol signifies the present moment. > represents the completed past. < represents the future, w
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The quote below seems "inhuman" to me. Perhaps he would take that as a compliment. I hate to be so blunt, but it really seems "schizoid" to me. Its robotic. Its fragmented. Its also wrong. We are HUMANS, which are primates, and we have DEEP emotional relationships with our Kin. To each their own, but that stuff is just too bizarre for me. My worry is that some peop
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I had some time today for research and I thought I’d attempt to find out how big Eckhart Tolle and related enterprises are. The answer is HUGE. I finally just stopped researching because it would be endless. Many many people involved, most list each other as references, most are working on the devotional guru wavelength. They are presented as enlightened masters. Some tuck themselves directly und
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Good luck at work. Read up the laws that protect your spiritual/intellectual autonomy. It would be interesting to know whether the group leader's behavior described by PSI is typical for a Tolle group leader, or whether this person was atypical. It would also be interesting to know what kind of training she received to function in this role, and whether her personality was different b
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QuoteJust a thought... with the combined knowledge and experience of the posters on this board.. how about if we go into business and found our own cult? We could make a bunch of $$, speak real slowly and spacey, tell folks to trust their inner possibilities by listenting to us, etc. WE know it's a proven formula! I am reading Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World, Science as a Candle
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