Quotehttp://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:w8qSC8DpZMkJ: Losada wrote a book, The Battersea Park Road to Paradise Quotetheindiaphile: Tell us a bit about Mooji? What kind of teachings does he offer? Isabel Losada: Mooji asks questions. He asks you the kind of questions that you might imagine an ocean would ask you? Such as who is ‘I’? Are you breathing or are you being bre
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part two of the essay ---------------- Happily, few people in self-serving cults achieve complete roboticism (those that do might already have a mental illness). Some exhibit stilted behaviors temporarily during meetings as they try to be perfect or enlightened. I have noticed that newer persons who "succeed" in such "schools" or "trainings" or "intensives&q
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Agehananda Bharatis distinction between aesthetic and empirical is the sane, democratic alternative to the unholy, destructive marriage called "occult science." Perhaps Swami Agehananda Bharati (the former Leopold Fisher of Austria) can help. Bharati made a radical change as a teenager in Vienna when he chose to become a Hindu. That was in the late 1930s before he joined the Austria
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When people met him in Russia, they described Gurdjieff has having a strange accent or that his conversation was difficult to understand. Id had my hunches that Gurdjieff, one hundred years ago, must have learned some effective methods of conversational trance induction. Here are observations by one our members, The Anticult, concerning a different teacher. TAC's insights and analyses
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Hi Mamadrama, I am not a fan of NLP - I was involved in my teens to the level of master practitioner - whatever that means. I left most of it behind by the time I was in my late teens. Now that I'm examining why I became involved with someone who was in a cult (with the help of an exit counselor), I've had to examine my attraction to NLP in the first place. It may interest you
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Another Examination of Charisma From a Member of the Jewish Community QuoteMay 28, 2006 | Filed Under Blog | This piece, written by the principal of the Toronto Hebrew Academy, was sent to me by a teacher of mine who evidently reads this blog now and again (*waves hello*). It’s been floating around the internet/blogosphere lately, and given its (sadly) timeliness and the fact that it’s on
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I was knocked for a loop by a non Buddhist who used covert NLP. The guy had his audience all thrilled and excited at Lecture #1. Years later I went to lecture #2 and this same guy had most in the audience nodding off. I went in there suspecting he was using trance induction and had in the meantime, read what The Anticult had written about methods of conversational trance induction. Despite
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Just my opinion here. I think there can be an ethical quandry in disclosing too much information about how covert influence is done. If someone were to publish actual mechanics of covert influence, that would put that information straight into the hands of unscrupulous operators and make them even better at what they are already doing. I sometimes dread that some of them actually come and
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Sparky wrote: Interesting. I think some of the experienced posters here may verify this, but isn't this classic cult/LGAT philosophy, that is to weaken the people mentally with a low-protein diet and sleep-deprivation so they can't think straight so you can control them easier with hyponosis and suggestions? Yes, they are. Weakness and confusion on the part of the participants ma
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My hunch and it is personal opinion, is that Gurdjieff was a highly gifted hypnotist, had learned ways to induce trance through covert means, and his expertise was far in advance of those practicing medical hypnosis at that time. He probably learned that inducing confusion by every possible means and by making himself and his own story a massive tangle of contradictions was a way to induce tra
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QuotePagans are more at risk of cursing themselves through drug abuse than ending up as the subject of a communal witch hunt. Some roots of this can be traced back to the Carlos Castaneda books about a Yaqui shaman “Don Juan” who supposedly trained Castaneda using various herbal drugs to help in perceiving the Otherworld. The first of these books was published in 1968 and they still continue to b
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walter1969 also wrote this "Gregory Bateson soon after endorsing B&G repudiated both of them and NLP when later asked about NLP stated: 'If someone says they know NLP, run don't walk away from them.' Bateson was ticked off at them because he saw the toxic direction NLP had took and that a lot of it's leading adherents went power mad. Milton Erickson never had a
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Gregory Bateson soon after endorsing B&G repudiated both of them and NLP when later asked about NLP stated: 'If someone says they know NLP, run don't walk away from them.' Bateson was ticked off at them because he saw the toxic direction NLP had took and that a lot of it's leading adherents went power mad. Milton Erickson never had a good thing to say about either since
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Here's some history on the impact made when NLP was first presented in the 1970s -- READER'S TREASURY: The Structure of Magic, Vol. I A Book about Language and Therapy Chapter: Psychotherapy by Richard Bandler and John Grinder Published by Science and Behavior Books/CA in 1975 Book Review by Bobby Matherne ©2005 -- WOW!" exclaims Virginia Satir in
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Anticult discussed nested look method here. It is my citizens opinion that-- The best thing to do is learn about nested loop story telling trance induction only to protect your agency from undue influence. Know this technique is out there, being used against us, but dont use it yourself. First, it is dehumanizing to treat any person as an object and you will slowly, without realizing it
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Hey Calm, Wow, you feel that way too? How happy I am to know I'm not alone either! I was involved with the new age for 5 years with various authors (Caroline Myss, Eckhart Tolle, Byron Katie, Wayne Dyer, The Secret and the Abraham Hicks teachings, lightworkers, ascension, Karen Bishop, Sal Rachele, tons of channelings, Sonia Choquette) for varying periods of time each. I can spout the lingo
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Quote QUOTE from Milton Erickson: Use Boredom or Surprise: ..."anyone who has surveyed the faces of an audience forced to listen to an incredibly boring speech has seen the blank stare characteristic of hypnotic inner absorption" The Wisdom of Milton H. Erickson: Hypnosis and hypnotherapy By Milton H. Erickson, Ronald A. Havens (Bold and italic fonts added by Corboy
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Anticult wrote; "So boring the shit out of you, is a way to put you into a suggestible state of "hypnosis" which just means you are more open to accept their Suggestions. " At the Cohen lecture, he was using material from Ken Wilber and his own 'Evolutionary Spirituality'. Previous to linking up with Wilber, Cohen used nondual twaddle picked up from his time
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QUOTE: "Boredom narrows your vision and restricts the freedom of your mind to think" (Erickson and Rossi, 1979, p 340) "Often with highly sophisticated subjects you resort to uninteresting detail to bore the hell out of them" (Erickson, Rossi & Rossi, 1976, p 240)
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QUOTE: "Boredom narrows your vision and restricts the freedom of your mind to think" (Erickson and Rossi, 1979, p 340) "Often with highly sophisticated subjects you resort to uninteresting detail to bore the hell out of them" (Erickson, Rossi & Rossi, 1976, p 240)
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Inducing BOREDOM is a technique in hypnosis, like inducing confusion. Many of them have talked how in conventional church through repetition of material, people go into a Trance. Same with many rituals. So boring the shit out of you, is a way to put you into a suggestible state of "hypnosis" which just means you are more open to accept their Suggestions. Then they give suggestions to
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Its absolutely true that Kevin Hogan would be laughed out of the actual NLP hypnosis field. (unless they though they could make some money letting him do the marketing). So the Kevin Hogan's move to fleecing the general public, who know nothing about it. Ross Jeffries has chimed in on the James Ray situation, on the Guruphiliac blog. There are some mentions in these forums too. Jame
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Is there anyone out there, who is really teaching influence? No, why would they. They can make millions DOING it, not giving away their "secrets". One has to patch together what they are doing from various sources. Hogan is a two-bit poseur, I remember when he was trying to make a name for himself back in the mid nineties on alt.psychology-nlp. IIRC he was originally a carpet instal
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One hates to bring the name of Dr. Milton Erickson into this nightmare of manipulation, but unfortunately many people have created a GROTESQUE PERVERSION his knowledge, which was used in clinical hypnosis, with the intent of helping people. This has been discussed in great detail in the Byron Katie thread, as she also uses those same techniques. Everyone is using them these days. Its an abso
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A very common cultic technique, is INDUCING CONFUSION. It works like magic. They put out confusing, and nonsensical "content" and their people try to make connections out of it. It lures people in. They create a fog of confusion, then the the leader leads the confused masses where he wants. Its standard stuff. That is why as soon as they start blowing smoke, and creating a fog o
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I found this blog via google and thought that others might find it interesting: Level Headed Diatribe Against LGAT “Impact Training” This material represents over a year's worth of reading, researching, and careful professional and personal studies in order to provide a informed, well-reasoned, educational viewpoint rather than my initial knee-jerk reaction to the topic. Presented he
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Some very important points must be clarified here. The Peru stuff is copying Carlos Casteneda. Carlos Castaneda and James Arthur Ray But this is important, very important. People without training in this area get duped by this constantly. There are 2 kinds of so-called Conversational Hypnosis. There REAL kind that can work when applied by someone who knows what they are doing, and the
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And coming from the reality school of hard knocks, that story from Dilts or Bandler is not to be believed at all. Those guys love to fabricate Stories. They have done it for a very good living for many years. They rationalize by saying Erickson and Satir and other also told Tall Tales to help people change. The entire thing is such a freaking nightmare and cesspool, sometimes the only option
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An interesting point about strategic Storytelling used in persuasion to modify core beliefs without the subjects awareness. They can be classic stories, that sound like fables. But they are even more effective when they don't sound like stories anymore, and just like conversation. Miilton Erickson used that method in his Teaching Tales. Then the NLPers came along and modified that. T
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Well, well well. As one peruses the reading list of the "mysterious Dr" Alex Benzer, it points to the usual suspects in hypnotic NLP persuasion, who's techniques can clearly be seen in the writing, top to bottom. Including Persuasion Engineering. These are the exact same persuasion techniques used by James Arthur Ray, and Byron Katie as well as Michael Beckwith, and many othe
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