Tsukimoto: "This is vintage SGI mindfucking! If you don't like something about SGI, it's your own shallowness and negativity. SGI DOES tell people that they can chant for cars, money, drugs, whatever-- but then when someone questions this -- SGI says that this is maybe not exactly what they meant, although it's really okay if they did. Amazing how they dance around the question!"
On Mindfucking: (lengthy but very interesting) [www.culteducation.com
], "Heidegger for Fun and Profit", here is an excerpt:"He is the ideal bluffer's philosopher. Armed with a volume of Heidegger you can prattle away with apparent profundity and it will be very hard for anybody to prove that you have misunderstood Heidegger or said something obviously false. Heidegger invented a new language: immensely loquacious, ponderous, repetitive, heavy and Teutonic - a sort of Bruckner without the music - which Herbert Spiegelberg, an acute historian of philosophy, described in 1965 as ' 'apt to create a twilight of uncritical semi-understanding among the gullible.''
I totally reject illogical double speak mumbo-jumbo such as Tskimoto described coming out of the mouths of SGI "leaders". Such crap does does not sound deep, but foolish.
Agreed. Gosho thumpers also had the same effect on me. Meaningless double (in this case) cult-speak and appeals to false subjective ("scripture") authority. Never impressed me one iota and always made the person doing it appear like a fool to my eyes.
"And the leader telling Paul that if he robbed a bank, maybe he'd get away with it and live in riches? Typical of SGI's amoral view of morality, where nothing is really wrong -- oh, except criticizing SGI!"
NSA was amoral too. A known abuser was promoted and his wife was never given "guidance" to take her kids and leave although she sought help from the "leaders". Using "karma" as an excuse for doing nothing, both the abuser and his victim were "working out their issues", according to the org. Eventually he almost killed her. There were children involved! This lack of compassion in refusing to address clearly wrong, criminal behavior said a lot about the org, and nothing good.
Oh, yes indeed it was (amoral). There was an infamous occurrence that everyone gossiped about behind the backs of the parties involved: a longtime WD member (whose entire family practiced, except for the husband) wound up having an affair with an MD member. The husband loved his wife so much, he forgave her and all she ended up accomplishing was succeeding in making her kids turn completely against the gakkai cult practice and everything it stood for. Inside the cult org., the two guilty parties kept right on practicing hard, as if nothing happened (while being backstabbed by everyone behind their backs). No "guidance" or counseling for all the damage that was done (family got home-v'ed, though), just keep on attending those meetings, renew subscriptions, give zaimu and do more of the magic chant and somehow everything will one day work out well. It never did, especially for those, truly, mis-"fortune baby" kids.
Here's another "moral" story I've got to share. I was once accompanying a salaried
leader to a distant area meeting. We got lost and overshot the area where we were supposed to be, to find ourselves lost, driving around a very well-to-do neighborhood. All the "leader" kept saying was, "Wow, these people must be rich, we gotta really do well at this meeting." / "Wow, I wonder what they do for a living, these are important members.", etc.. We eventually found our way back to a more middle-class neighborhood and I never heard another peep about it from the so-called "leader" with Dollar $ign eyes.