My comment will be a seque, but it reminded me of something I haven't thought of in years. When Larry Cotton was over South Gate, he once asked me to bring a Word there on a Thursday night. I had never brought a Word before! I was young and inexperienced. He chided me with not believing the Word over me. So, I combed through my notes on recent sermons by JRS and picked the topic of oneness. I was so nervous, but I did it. Later that service, a fist fight broke out on the platform! I felt like such a failure. When JRS asked me how it went, I told him sadly I had failed to convey the spirit of oneness. He belly laughed and said my "Word" had been perfect because it had exposed the lack of oneness! He chuckled for quite a while.


changedagain Wrote:
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> Gary has always been about division, rejection and
> intimidation. For him to continue bringing
> messages on oneness is beyond hypocritical.
> Every day I am thankful that I am no longer
> subjected to that "ministry."

I loved Bowman. What a mind! Ancestry.Com gives me this info. Hope it helps.

SS Death Index:
Name: Bowman J. Littleton
SSN: xxx-xx-4035
BORN: 6 May 1951
Died: 19 Nov 1992
State (Year) SSN issued: California (1965)

SS Registration and Claims:
Name: Bowman James Littleton
[Bowman J Littleton]
SSN: xxx-xx-4035
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 6 May 1951
Birth Place: San Francisco, California
[San Francisc]
Death Date: 19 Nov 1992
Type of Claim: Original SSN.
Notes: Feb 1966: Name listed as BOWMAN JAMES LITTLETON; 27 Feb 1993: Name listed as BOWMAN J LITTLETON

FCSLC Wrote:
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> lily rose: Herman & Ann Maxwell, as well as their
> son and daughter in law, Loren & Judy Maxwell were
> good friends of mine. Always good vibrations from
> them ----- nothing messed up.
>
> Bowman & Ann Littleton and their children Hope &
> Jacob were good friends too. My wife used to baby
> sit for them. Bowman is listed as the State of
> Utah ----- “Minister of Christ” who performed
> our wedding. That was in 1975.
>
> My wife says, “Chuck Longest told me Bowman
> passed away in China.” We do not know the
> year, but please post if anybody knows.
>
> I remember helping Bowman find some windshield
> wiper parts for the old Cadillac he was driving.
> He was great in the scriptures, but not exactly
> mechanically inclined. It was fun being needed in
> that situation.

Invisible: very insightful! I know for a fact that
JRS listened for God's voice in our prayers, intercession, and prophecy to him. He felt lost at times at what God wanted next, so hearing from those who weren't close to him and knew specifics meant more than those who spoke from personal knowledge. Only then did he see God's direction for him in the midst of the confusion.

Invisible Wrote:
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> It is my opinion that we as a church - elevated
> John by not realizing that John Stevens needed
> both a Lord and a Savior, just as much as all of
> us did and all of us do.
>
> And many of us made John out to be to ourselves (
> as one who was all knowing ) -most likely because
> we knew so little - but it was always up to us -
> to find out for ourselves - if he really was
> speaking the truth or not.
>
> I never heard John Stevens claim to be Jesus
> Christ - And when the person referenced as saying
> ( Brother Stevens, If you are not Jesus Christ
> then who the hell are you ? ) was not asking
> John if he was the Christ - I tend to think the
> person who said this was not asking a question but
> was making his own statement. The people put John
> on a pedestal just like they put their leaders
> today on a pedestal.
>
> Maybe John did something right because we found
> our way to begin removing anything or any one from
> taking the place the Lord Jesus Christ is to have
> to us - and even if John fell far short of the
> glory of God in his labors - over us - we also
> might ourselves , be able to say - Let God be
> found true and every man a liar.
>
> Look how long it took us and what we had to go
> through before we came to better understand and
> comprehend the errors of our own thinking.

Marilyn's favorite color was purple. Others called her group that, not themselves.

changedagain Wrote:
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> paleface Wrote:
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> > The inner cult is "the purples". (i.e.
> Marilyn's
> > army)
>
>
> Seriously? I've never heard of this. Why
> 'purples', BTW?

Don't take everything Tony Cox says as truth. I knew him at one time, his wife, and his daughter "Ruthie." I knew when he split with her. As you may know, Ruthie was Tony's and Yoko Ono's daughter. He split with her and was hiding from Yoko and John to keep his daughter. He eventually surfaced, then made this video, was interviewed in People Magazine and again came into notoriety briefly. He came to TLW to hide and he did this himself.

lily rose Wrote:
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> Ditch_Digging_Yasper Wrote:
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> "Vain Glory" by Tony Cox
> __________________________________________________
> ______
>
> I haven't seen it but I suspect you won't learn
> much more than you did on factnet, some true and
> some not true. However if you must, before trying
> to contact Cox, goggle David Clark, Exit
> Counselor, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I ran
> across his name a while back and my recollection
> is he was a consultant on Vain Glory so he might
> be able to make you a copy; the video is probably
> VHS. Clark claims to have been in the Walk during
> the early 70's and he went on to become a Thought
> Reform Consultant to assist those who were in
> cults.

I saw the Tony Cox video. Some of it was right but there was some of it that was just plain hype. For instance, Cox said that the elders were ordered to have sex with women in the fellowship, ordered by JRS. That was pure crap. And also he said that JRS had his pick of any woman that he wanted. That was absolute garbage. This guy hinted that the women in Living Word Fellowship were prone to be immoral and that was not the case at all. There was at least one pastor that was guilty of that sort of thing, I would say that was not common among the ministries. The biggest breach of morality was heavy drinking, and some smoked pot.

BTW, welcome to the forum The Sarge. I am enjoying reading your posts.

Apostle Dog Wrote:
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> BTW, welcome to the forum The Sarge. I am enjoying
> reading your posts.


Thank you, Apostle Dog

There's still a cadre of us out there who lived the '60s. As an historian, I would be interested in what books you have to share that "explain" us. I could recommend some to you as well that show how all the revolution of that time has had a lasting affect on how our civilization advanced as well. I love this sort of thing!

corboy Wrote:
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> FCSLC wrote:
>
> The psychedelic 'hippie' era is often romanticized
> today.
>
> Many were convinced there was going to be a
> violent revolution -
> and trained for it. Bombs went off. Patty Hearst
> was kidnapped.
>
> Those were terrible years. Many young persons were
> desperate
> for some orientation.
>
> Some watched friends OD and die. Others went
> crazy.
>
> Ideals were ground into the dirt.
>
> Those were those years when domineering leaders,
> from Manson, to Rajneesh,
> to David Berg (Children of God) were reaping a
> harvest.
>
> I can PM a list of books to anyone interested in
> learning more about
> the raw reality of those times.

No, Paleface, no donuts. But there were many midnight raids of the baked goods in the pantry....

paleface Wrote:
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> There must have been many boxes consumed during
> the "Victory Siege" in Shiloh in the late 70's