Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Date: December 05, 2023 11:59AM
References to the Catholic church, and the different stance JRS had vs. G & M:
Posted by: ben there
Date: February 19, 2007 11:48AM
I think it was when I started hearing entire groups (like the catholic church, government officials, businesses, etc) 'judged' as being satan in the earth, the whore of babylon, the Nephilim, or whoever the bad guy of the night was...and all sorts of death and destruction 'prophesied' to their detriment, it seemed a bit hitleresque, very violent and had little to do with concepts of God and Love that i had found to be real so far in my young life at the time."
Posted by: paleface
Date: November 08, 2013 02:48PM
If you have ever read the book "Babylon, Mystery Religion" you will notice that it is nearly identical to the First Principles lesson on Babylon. I am now of the opinion that John lifted that whole teaching from that book or other similar sources for that particular chapter. G & M have been trying to sanitize the FP for years to make it suitable for a wider audience.
Posted by: TheSarge
Date: February 28, 2016 12:44PM
I've missed the antecedent to this Catholic phase of The Walk v.3. Has that chapter on Catholicism been removed from The First Principles or edited? After all the other segues over the last couple of decades, what is the fascination? Yeah, yeah, same Father, One Universal Church, yada yada. But why now? I am truly flummoxed.
Posted by: puddington
Date: April 18, 2017 02:51PM
If you have an old copy of the First Principles, there is a lesson about Babylon in there. I recall that it read exactly like the book "Babylon Mystery Religion", which claimed that Babylon was the Roman Catholic church.
However, sometime in the 90's the LW reissued a new edition of the First Principles, and most of this lesson had been sanitized to soften the anti-RC teaching. I never saw this new edition, so I can't comment on how much got removed. I discarded my LW literature years ago.
Posted by: changedagain
Date: July 02, 2020 04:24PM
As time passed connecting with several priests, seminary students, and other evangelical pastors; soon it was time for Hargrave to speak. Throughout his ten-minute message about oneness in the Body of Christ and the special placing of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in affecting all of Christianity, the crowd continually cried out cheers of approval to what Hargrave was saying.
Note: I've never experienced "cheers of approval" from anything I said in church, except once when I prophesied the service would be over soon.
Posted by: Reepicheep
Date: June 05, 2021 12:46PM
Hargrave and Esteves were interviewed for
Catholic radio and television, reaching out to
over ten million believers in all of Brazil and
the world, before being escorted to hold a private
audience with Cardinal Dom Orani.
I believe that JRS is rolling in his grave. After all, he talked about the Catholic church being mystery Babylon. Not that I necessarily agree. It's all baloney if you ask me. Just sayin'.