Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Date: January 19, 2021 02:30AM
A few posts from September 24-25 of 2018:
Posted by: puddington
Date: September 24, 2018 02:39AM
This request for feedback by TLWF from former members has my distrust alarms going off. While I certainly have plenty to write about, I doubt that I will send anything in. For three basic reasons:
1. I suspect they are merely collecting evidence to better prepare TLW to defend themselves legally. Why give them that advantage?
2. Past performance by TLW suggests that this request is not sincere and that nothing will change.
3. Amy Sayer is a Phyllis clone. I trust her about as far as I can throw a bus
Posted by: Road to Damascus
Date: September 23, 2018 03:39PM
I distrust any new day or promises to make it all better. I say that until Gary, Rick, and all those in power come forward and tell it all and not be restrictive communications it is all worthless words. That is hiding behind smoke. Why should I open up and write to them what they did. Years ago I did that and I was told we do not want to hear from you. And Never again will I trust what they say. Bandaids do not work, and I and all of us here are people deserving to believe that we are not a bunch of Plan B's or not worth anything but to be used, abused and rejected and tossed away like trash.
Posted by: I_woke_up
Date: September 24, 2018 07:50AM
Amy is a pretty tough lady. I grew up with her an my impression of her is and always has been she isn't one to take crap from others. I'm not sure why she has aligned herself with other leaders. (Especially those who don't want others crap on their calendars!) I wonder if she would still be in this organization if she wasn't one of the leaders?
Regarding reaching out to leadership... a couple of years ago, I would have been on board. I too, tend to focus on the good in others and reason away the negative. This all changed when I had a one on one encounter with a sociopath outside of the fellowship. FYI, sociopaths are the nicest people you will ever meet! That is until you say no to them. Confronting them is one of the worst things a person can do. In fact, it can be down right dangerous. They experience physical pain when they're confronted... it's so painful they'll do anything to make it go away. Sociopaths will not respond rationally/professionally. Therefore, I have chosen to write on this forum in hopes that I can help other members see the light.
I was in TLWF for close to four decades.
Posted by: kbyrne
Date: September 24, 2018 10:19AM
> My parents called me today to say that Gary
> Hargrave is wanting to changing things there.
> Apparently, there has been a revelation that there
> has been a lot of hurt and a lot of wrong things
> that have gone on. They want to have a 360 change
> (I think that's what they called it) and they are
> asking anyone that is willing to make contact
> either anonymously or openly and to let them know,
> either in email, letter or call, their story. What
> happened to you, why you left. They want to change
> and heal the past hurts to be able to move forward
> and not repeat the same mistakes.
> I do not doubt for a single second your genuine desire to see a reconciliation between members and past members. There are many in the church that I love and believe that their hearts have been in the right place.
My suggestion would be, if Gary is sincere, he knows the wrongs he has committed. He knows why people left. Why doesn't Gary just come clean and say, I know that I, or that Marilyn and I, or whoever, have done X, Y and Z, we were wrong? Trust is something that has to be earned.
Posted by: 40yearsin2016
Date: September 25, 2018 02:07PM
Ok I'll play...
but instead of filling in a questionnaire, Here's what I require for my healing.
Amy should, being charged the responsibility since "Gary doesn't want to get involved":
1 - Read this forum - all 689 pages
2 - Read Woodrow Nichols book - all of it.
Based on that research generate a list of questions to be read from the pulpit on Sunday AM. Give the church leadership one week to respond in writing.
Next, Amy should post a notice on the bulletin board in the lobby of each church encouraging current members affected by sexual abuse within the church to call local hotlines (numbers provided) as well as local legal authorities. Independent legal counsel should to be funded by "Hargrave Ministries"
oh, I'm not done.
Finally, in support of my healing, Amy should commission and independent forensic audit of "Hargrave Ministries". Document all assets. Identify historic sources of those assets. Identify any IRS gaps. Document sources of income for "Hargrave Ministries" for as many years as the documents support. Forensic audit should be published publicly, a link supplied on this forum would aide in my healing...