filthy apron Wrote:

> Better move close to your children
> because even after all the time and big money you
> put into it we really don't give a shit! Good
> luck to ya!

A bit lengthy, but otherwise it would make a great sermon title on one of those DIY church signs :)

lily rose Wrote:
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> changedagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NickleandDimed Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SouthGate Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > [www.youtube.com]
> > > >
> > > > Enough of the bruised reed crap. Time to
> > Lift
> > > Me
> > > > Up.
> > > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Ah yes....your miserable standard again. I
> > found
> > > the bruised reed comments edifying. Not crap.
> >
> > Yes, it's been one of the best threads to date.
>
>
> Southgate-you've been called out here before as a
> JRS apologist and largely to cast doubt upon
> anyone posting critical comments here about JRS.
> You repeatedly attempt to provide spin for JRS in
> an effort to undercut criticism of his teachings.
> You appear to know little about how destructive
> cults work. It seems to me you have never sorted
> out your experiences with JRS and are still
> programed by your association with him. If you are
> that ignorant and or invested in denial why should
> anyone take seriously your comment that the thread
> was "crap." Your posts have become very
> repetitive. Lately it seems your only purpose here
> is as an apologist and to post music lyrics.
> People have come here to discuss concerns about
> the leadership's behavior and treatment of
> members. When confronted by the firsthand
> experiences of members who see JRS negatively, you
> simply go into denial mode. Your attempt to shift
> the focus of a thread to music lyrics is quite
> frankly despicable. You come across as someone who
> is not only poorly informed but who is here to
> subvert the thread. You are not interested in any
> meaningful exchange of ideas but rather hope to
> subvert the thread. The length of your post with
> music lyrics doesn't make up for the woeful lack
> of substance. Please don't waste space here
> apologizing for JRS and repeatedly posting music
> lyrics in an attempt to subvert the thread.


Well said. Southgate do the right thing. Stop posting. If Southgate continues to subvert the thread, I'll ask the rrmoderator to intervene.

Sagehen Wrote:
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> I agree with much of what "larry bobo" posted May
> 1, 2017, I too had to ask myself why I fell for
> the hook! Mine took me back to the Charasmatic
> teachings in the early '60s and led right into
> what JRS was teaching in the early '70s when we ,
> my late husband and I joined. I also see this is
> still the focus of many groups still today, that
> being, "We have more Light than the others"! To me
> that is deadly, I started getting a true
> foundation when I dumped all I had heard from
> anyone except what the Bible's written Word said
> and and what my spirit confirmed to me was Him.It
> has been a long journey but I believe that is what
> God really wants for me, not following what
> someone else says is "truth"! It has to be a
> personal choice for me on a daily basis.I had to
> search my own heart, no one made me fall for the
> lies, that was my doing. Just my own journey, I
> can't say what others must travel.


I also agree with a lot of what larry bobo said. And very much agree with Sagehen. I feel very much the same.

I know that God looks at the heart. I think many of us were searching for something more than we had found in our previous churches. Something to give ourselves to. Also, the "psychic" element, that John could see what was inside us that we couldn't see in ourselves, and give us a Word. It was hard to resist.

For 30 plus years I've been hauling around a box full of TLW stuff. I decided to open it up the other day. I haven't looked at it in years. It was mostly This Weeks (including the This Week inserts) "Gleanings" and "Off the Wall" (produced in Shiloh) and a few tapes and books. I looked at the "Words" I got from JRS and other pastors. So much of it was trivial stuff I had asked for direction on. How much better off would we have been if we were told to go seek/ask God ourselves what we should do? Learn to hear from God for ourselves?

NickleandDimed Wrote:
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> lily rose Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > changedagain Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > NickleandDimed Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > SouthGate Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > >
> [www.youtube.com]
> > > > >
> > > > > Enough of the bruised reed crap. Time to
> > > Lift
> > > > Me
> > > > > Up.
> > > > > :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ah yes....your miserable standard again. I
> > > found
> > > > the bruised reed comments edifying. Not
> crap.
> > >
> > > Yes, it's been one of the best threads to
> date.
> >
> >
> > Southgate-you've been called out here before as
> a
> > JRS apologist and largely to cast doubt upon
> > anyone posting critical comments here about
> JRS.
> > You repeatedly attempt to provide spin for JRS
> in
> > an effort to undercut criticism of his
> teachings.
> > You appear to know little about how destructive
> > cults work. It seems to me you have never
> sorted
> > out your experiences with JRS and are still
> > programed by your association with him. If you
> are
> > that ignorant and or invested in denial why
> should
> > anyone take seriously your comment that the
> thread
> > was "crap." Your posts have become very
> > repetitive. Lately it seems your only purpose
> here
> > is as an apologist and to post music lyrics.
> > People have come here to discuss concerns about
> > the leadership's behavior and treatment of
> > members. When confronted by the firsthand
> > experiences of members who see JRS negatively,
> you
> > simply go into denial mode. Your attempt to
> shift
> > the focus of a thread to music lyrics is quite
> > frankly despicable. You come across as someone
> who
> > is not only poorly informed but who is here to
> > subvert the thread. You are not interested in
> any
> > meaningful exchange of ideas but rather hope to
> > subvert the thread. The length of your post
> with
> > music lyrics doesn't make up for the woeful
> lack
> > of substance. Please don't waste space here
> > apologizing for JRS and repeatedly posting
> music
> > lyrics in an attempt to subvert the thread.
>
>
> Well said. Southgate do the right thing. Stop
> posting. If Southgate continues to subvert the
> thread, I'll ask the rrmoderator to intervene.


That wasn't my intention, but I will do as you wish. Hope the best for all!

filthy apron Wrote:
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> I was 12 when John died, was 20 when I was
> ex-communicated. So I guess that puts me right in
> the middle. My family and I lived in Shiloh during
> the Victory seige, I went to the Centers of
> Learning at Shiloh (which was there contrary to
> what the "leadership" can recall) I don't post
> very much here because I don't really care about
> discussing what my relationship with God is.
> Suffice to say after all the garbage I still have
> faith, and that's enough for me. I think all of
> your theological discussions might help some
> people but honestly you guys rehash the same
> question over and over again. If you chose TLW as
> an adult and made the decision to hand your lives
> over to A MAN (lol) well sorry, hope you can move
> on and if you brought children into the "Walk" and
> they were abused I hope you have made amends with
> them as apparently TLW does not have the funds or
> the wherewithal to take care of their aging
> population! Better move close to your children
> because even after all the time and big money you
> put into it we really don't give a shit! Good
> luck to ya!

I liked your post. I don't care to discuss my relationship with God either. Don't mind hearing ex-pats like Sagehen and kbryne, Larry Bobo, Invisible and the others talk about theirs. IMO those fed for years by G&M and now Gary often need to rehash it because of years of the extreme indoctrination.

Southgate, not everyone here feels that an opinion they do not agree with must be squelched. Your viewpoint is every bit as important and valued as mine is. Lots of ex-walkers struggle with where to place the affection and regard they had for Stevens, and have difficulty reconciling those emotions with the reasons they left the walk. It is part of each individual's process, and a good reason for the existence of this forum. Of course--I view Stevens as a patently dishonest conman since day one, who never said or did a single solitary thing in the spirit, and would not know a deity if he stumbled over one in bright daylight. The same goes for Marilyn, Gary, and every apostle, pastor, elder and prophet. To me anything short of that blunt synopsis is to be an apologist for Stevens, so you are in good company. I hope you take no offense if you still love him. I personally cannot imagine threatening to tell on somebody here. If one does not care for the lyrics you post, one may ignore them, just as we also ignore the long-winded sermons and scriptures we are subjected to. I care about your journey from the walk to wherever you are today and I find it interesting. I would like to hear more about WHY you have the thoughts you do, and hope you may do so without fear of recrimination.

Lampshmamp, I read your post in which you tried to squelch Apostle Dog's views and he left the forum. I also read your post in which you once tried to squelch the use of term sheep being used on the forum until Larry Bobo chimed in. Some honesty please.

Southgate has had ample opportunity to provide evidence for his views. I applaud NickleandDimed for being willing to report Southgate to the rrmoderator. I wish I had done that (informed the rrmoderator) when pbxguy and LampSchamp ripped into Apostle Dog for expressing his views. Geez the guy had just lost his wife to cancer. BTW, Apostle Dog was an active poster and contributed to the forum for approximately a year and he left following being squelched by pbxguy and Lampschamp.

Can we please get back on topic. The strand is about JRS, the Walk and TLWF. The issues are the behavior and how the behavior of the group and its leaders hurt people. Everyone agreed to follow the rules before registering to participate.

filthy apron Wrote:
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> I was 12 when John died, was 20 when I was
> ex-communicated. So I guess that puts me right in
> the middle. My family and I lived in Shiloh during
> the Victory seige, I went to the Centers of
> Learning at Shiloh (which was there contrary to
> what the "leadership" can recall) I don't post
> very much here because I don't really care about
> discussing what my relationship with God is.
> Suffice to say after all the garbage I still have
> faith, and that's enough for me. I think all of
> your theological discussions might help some
> people but honestly you guys rehash the same
> question over and over again. If you chose TLW as
> an adult and made the decision to hand your lives
> over to A MAN (lol) well sorry, hope you can move
> on and if you brought children into the "Walk" and
> they were abused I hope you have made amends with
> them as apparently TLW does not have the funds or
> the wherewithal to take care of their aging
> population! Better move close to your children
> because even after all the time and big money you
> put into it we really don't give a shit! Good
> luck to ya!


Great post filthy apron. The issue of kids and their aging parents is so relevant now.

kbyrne-great post too. When I came to the forum I thought I would only stay a year. It's been longer because I really enjoy hearing stories like yours.

Sagehen-when you get to it, yes, I would like to hear more about your rides in the van.

kbyrne Wrote:
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> >
> I also agree with a lot of what larry bobo said.
> And very much agree with Sagehen. I feel very
> much the same.
>
> I know that God looks at the heart. I think many
> of us were searching for something more than we
> had found in our previous churches. Something to
> give ourselves to. Also, the "psychic" element,
> that John could see what was inside us that we
> couldn't see in ourselves, and give us a Word. It
> was hard to resist.
>
> For 30 plus years I've been hauling around a box
> full of TLW stuff. I decided to open it up the
> other day. I haven't looked at it in years. It
> was mostly This Weeks (including the This Week
> inserts) "Gleanings" and "Off the Wall" (produced
> in Shiloh) and a few tapes and books. I looked at
> the "Words" I got from JRS and other pastors. So
> much of it was trivial stuff I had asked for
> direction on. How much better off would we have
> been if we were told to go seek/ask God ourselves
> what we should do? Learn to hear from God for
> ourselves?

The psychic element was a big hook. For me too. I have a box somewhere. Maybe I'll get the nerve some day to open it up. Or maybe not.