Mahesh and Meaning..
Date: May 20, 2006 01:12AM
hmmm. This is good dialogueing, in my opinion. I'm really grateful and tickled by all your insights. Are you a Brit, by chance? I've noticed some slang that is definitely not 'American English'.
[b:74a17912d9]No, not British, Canadian[/color:74a17912d9][/b:74a17912d9]
Mostly I am just glad to finally AT LAST find others who are ex-Tm'ers and who have been there, done that. I still have many pieces of the puzzle that I haven't fitted in yet before I wave goodbye to the need to figure it all out.
[b:74a17912d9]I haven't talked with enouth "escapees" to know, but I suspect it takes quite a bit of time, depending with whom you can dialogue and how much you can tolerate dredging up and looking at. It's tough. Toni was fantastic help for me as was the TM Cautionary site FALLING DOWN THE TM RABBIT HOLE[/color:74a17912d9][/b:74a17912d9]
Anyway, I wanted to ask...you mentioned before that things Before the Beatles were different than After they dumped him. Do you see this as the significant turning point? [b:74a17912d9]YES[/b:74a17912d9][/color:74a17912d9] This is a unique insight on your part and I've only ever read the Paul Mason (thank you, not Martin!) chapter about how Mahesh just kept plugging along and building his empire.
[b:74a17912d9]I think you have to read between the lines in Paul's book. Mahesh expected the Beatles to deposit something like 15% of their gross into his Swiss Account and a few pages later he tells a reporter "I have nothing" -- well the lie is obvious, or the disgruntled, sour grapesing is something, but the Fab Four weren't idiots or retarded; they could smell a scam. Whether the thing with Mia Farrow was as recorded or whether Mahesh was screwing someone else [one of those present was someone who looked quite Mia, although her hair colour was different; she was a long time devotee who attended most of the India courses; she was also from Toronto, where I am. Mahesh had a thing for her. Whether he was screwing her or trying to, no body knows; but her being with his a lot may have gotten the Fab Four curious and backed Mahesh into a corner; he's one of the cleverest, most intelligent, quick on his feet and socially brilliant individuals I have ever met; but you and everybody else has to fill in the blanks from there] ... ok, my thread ... whether Mahesh was screwing someone else I don't know; but he was probably trying to seduce either sexually or otherwise, someone who had money or influence or both; he's hardly above using a sexual come-on, carefully veiled, allowing him huge deniability knowing his cleverness and charisma, to get what he wants.[/color:74a17912d9][/b:74a17912d9]
Secondly, when you were secretary, and saw the women who would go to Mahesh's room night after night...I just have to ask! Feminine Feline Curiosity has gotten the better of me...how many women would go at once? Do you recall? Did they go into his private quarters and perhaps sit in chairs and wait their turn for an audience? Or was it just one 'lady' at a time for a short period of favortism before someone new came along?
[b:74a17912d9]You ask a complex question, but you also know what you're asking as if you were there. I'll try not to be so convoluted (hard to avoid with Mahesh) and say this: [i:74a17912d9]usually[/i:74a17912d9] it was 3 or 4 women at a time who would follow him out of the lecture hall into his private part of the hotel. After that, I don't know. Certainly when Billy Clayton and Rob McCutcheon accidently came into his room (he had apparently rolled over :roll: onto the buzzer) he was with only one woman. -- As for "replacements" - yes, constantly. One notes this in Toni's mention of Keith being replaced by Larry. One of the teachers here in Toronto (this was in the 60's-70's) noted that Mahesh's favourites were like dancing bears in some taudry circus. They were constantly replaced by someone else who offered more entertainment or more personal exposure (of the publicity kind) for Mahesh [i:74a17912d9]i.e.[/i:74a17912d9] got him more of the attention he craved; or offered him something he could steal and concoct into his own wast wedic wisdom. He stole "stress" from Hans Selye and came up with "unstressing" and all its meaninglessness. Prior, he had only talked about unwinding (no one ever said [i:74a17912d9]oh, you're just unwinding[/i:74a17912d9]) and before that, there was "smoke" from burning old knots of past experience.[/color:74a17912d9][/b:74a17912d9]
I'm trying to grasp this in humanoid terms. I mean, were these women 'dating' him and did they have a courtship?
[b:74a17912d9]They were more like temple concubines or mistresses or whatever Vestal Virgins got up to ... oh, wait, they had to be virgins ... you see my drift.[/b:74a17912d9][/color:74a17912d9]
With wooing and then a nasty break-up followed by tearful apologies and a long goodbye?[b:74a17912d9] Probably not, he was too charasmatic and manipulative for that to happen. [/b:74a17912d9][/color:74a17912d9]What in the name of Crikey is the anatomy of a 'boyfriend named Holy Guru Highness'???? eeeek!!!
[b:74a17912d9]Who knows! Given Mahesh penchant for secrecy, why would there ever be a need for a neme? But this tells us more about cult operations than answers your question.[/color:74a17912d9][/b:74a17912d9]
It always seems to come down to this, in 'masters' who demand celibacy and strict codes of morality and prudishness in their followers. The 'masters' themselves are often quite prolifigate and usually downright smarmy or evil or abusive.
Maybe I'm just in denial. Maybe they were just serving him hot milk and some cookies and reading him a bedtime story. yeah... [/color:74a17912d9]
Yes, and I'm Secretary of State and Condi is serving me hot milk and cookies. With Mahesh, I consistently suspect two things: he wanted something physical and/or he wanted something these women could get him ... inroads to influential people, money, publicity, more money, more fame. Coming back to the Beatles, they had it all and he had just declared himself a failure and said publicly that he was retiring into silence, his mission had failed, he had failed. And then fate hands him the Beatles. There is an ancient saying: [i:74a17912d9]if the whole Himalaya were one lump of gold, it would not be enough for one man.[/i:74a17912d9] And suddenly here was his lump of gold and it dumped him! So he decided to show possibly his nagging sense of Guru Dev's presence and possible lack of approval just who was who! Suddenly massive nhumbers of TM teachers were being churned out, World Plan Centres were being set up to make sure everybody did everything his way, money was wasted like a two year old wastint toilet paper in the name of potty training; he was broke and came up with the 'sidhi' crap and made $11 million the first time he taught it over the telephone across the U.S of A.[/color:74a17912d9]
Alas, I rant. But, Rose, you know your stuff, you have keep perception. I like our conversations, but maybe responding in this manner in colour is an error. I'll post and hope for the best.[/color:74a17912d9]