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amemg
Pauker:
Thanks very much and so sorry to hear you are watching your daughter take this path. For me that would be even more awful - if my children were somehow lured.
Yeah, it's scary and it really sucks. At the very least, I do have an advantage over everyone else in her life who won't enroll in her training. And that is: I can turn-on and spew the jargon with the best of them. Hell, I talked that stuff for years (even long after distancing myself from est) thinking it was normal or something. But in this case, its proving to be somewhat useful (from time to time) for keeping a connection going with her. I want to be there for her when she crashes, and I want her to feel safe in opening up and communicating with me when she does, for that will be key to helping her open her eyes further. And so far, judiciously timed sprinklings of jargon to/at her has helped me keep those lines of communication open, as she feels we can speak a similar language even though I won't do Impact myself. I even went over to the Impact thread here on the LGAT forum to 'bone-up' -- as it were -- on their jargon and add a few choice phrases to my more 'retro' est-hole syntax. I must say, if there is any FUN to this whatsoever, its in seeing her eyes get really big when I casually toss in one of those phrases.
I spoke with my partner last night. He is coming here this weekend. He sounded flat and lacking in confidence in his ability to do the job he is doing at the moment. I am wondering if he is heading down after the high. Although he is doing the SELP course and he told me that they meet once a month on a Saturday and that once a week he has a phone call with - I think he called it his coach.
Uh-huh. Combining what you just noted here with your subsequent post (where his phone call interrupted your typing), it sounds like his plane might be "coming in for a landing." (At the very least, it sounds like a chink in the armour.) Kinda spooky now, cause you won't be able to gauge really well until you see him just how far and how fast (and at what angle) he's a comin' down. But even if he comes straight down (and hard) it beats the hell outta the alternative, for some folks go from hypo-mania to full-blown mania, and then maybe have to go onto Lithium for the rest of their lives: IF THEY'RE LUCKY. (BTW, that's what ultimately happened to my Sister after the Forum).
I realise I am going to need quite a strategy and a good measure of tact to deal with this... and that is what is so stressful.
I feel like I am unable to gauge the extent to which: he is able to think critically and
he has the ability to take on certain anti-Landmark information.
Actually, you already have stumbled upon a principal tool in this. Quoting from your most recent entry:
In my head I am yelling "YES YES YES".. but I said "Oh really, why is that?"
BINGO, Amemg -- that's it. Frame most of your comments as questions, and for the time being, spend more time listening than talking. This does two things: it helps you more quickly assess where his head is "at" (and which way it may be heading). PLUS, having him answer questions (in lieu of having him endure your current opinions) can kick-start his left-hemisphere -- which may be starting to shake-off some fog now -- into its old pre-Landmark habits of 'connecting the dots.' If you can get his brain to start doing that, then he may have a chance of coming to the right conclusions on his own. He may even think that these new ideas are his own, before ultimately seeing that you were, in fact, leading him to water to make his own discoveries.
I wish you well with your daughter - it is just so heart-breaking.
It is. Damn, I hope to God I'm playing my cards right here. With bi-polar disorder already in my family genes, I fear that my Daughter's sanity truly hangs in the balance. And now I understand better the extent to which I was playing with fire w/my OWN sanity when I first took est in the 70's.
As an aside to everyone posting on this thread, I'm so glad I found this website and these forums, especially the LGAT forum. It is incredibly informative and supportive for me at a time I really can use some help here, for I truly fear for my little girl's mind. If my posts on various threads here appear to some to be expounding like I'm some kind of expert, believe me I have learned far more here in the past week than I've shared (ooops, sorry for the jargon).