Re: Klemmer & Associates
Date: April 09, 2011 09:24AM
Rswinters, I have to humbly disagree. I actually attended the seminars with you and remember your turmoil. Believe me, I had mine and many a tear was shed. I am also a Christian. I ran thru the complete series, ie, from Personal Mastery thru Sam Camp. I attended a mastermind group for a few years afters, and am looking to establish a new mastermind group here soon. Klemmer changed my life ... for the good. I chose to accept what I felt did not conflict with biblical scripture and vice-versa. I felt the mass majority of the content did parallel scripture.
For those that question 'The Secret', the Law of Attraction, and the power of the spoken word, read both Mark 11:22-24 (22 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. 23 “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours, and Philipians 4:8 (8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.)
God not only spoke out loud everything into existence, but refers to Christ as the Word (not just the Bible). Ever wonder why? Scientists have proven that positive and negative thought (along with the spoken word) can be measured in units of energy. Do you think the clothing hanger experiment was a set up the last weekend of Sam Camp? It couldn't have been ... not with over one hundred people experiencing the same results.
I hear complaints about the black/red game, the lifeboat game, the Samurai game, the sit-in, etc. Heck, I walked out during the sit-in, I became quite angry. We are told to state our feelings and opinions in the form of "I", not "you", in order to accept ownership. We are told to question and explore our feelings and the "experience" of the moment. It's a process of dwelving deeper into our soul, peeling back the layers of crap society has led us to believe.
After the complete experience of Klemmer, I was finally able to face my fears, step out of my rut, trust in the Lord, begin pushing the envelope, and enjoy life. Believe me, it has not been easy. With the recession, I have lost my butt! However, the knowledge and experience I have gained over the last 4 years has been huge!
Bottom line, Klemmer and Scripture are not at odds with each other. This isn't some new age crap. I have, and continually compare everthing I read, hear and see, not just Klemmereze, but "everything" to that of the written Word. I pray about it, and search my soul in which the Holy Spirit resides as to intercession. I choose to trust that the Lord will lead me and support me, sometimes test me, as long as I do my best to forgive others, not judge, ask for forgiveness for my sins, and know ... that the Lord wants more of me than to live just a comfortable life (of which Klemmer teaches not to do), but rather ... make a difference.
At the end of the day, I do my best to see the other's perspective. I choose to love the sinner, hate the sin. I choose not to be a victim, yet I notice that the mass majority of those on this site ... choose to be victims. It's unfortunate, but then it is what it is. I have to accept that for the majority of those that prefer blame over responsibility, that feel they are entitled, well for those, the pain is too deep to get past.