Re: IMPACT Trainings
Date: October 23, 2007 11:12PM
Boonetahoe,
I'd suggest you look for the canceled checks since "inception."
Here's where the integrity you claim regarding BMI and ASCAP fees is out:
1) Harmony did not pay those fees before your involvement -- for more than a year under the Jubacks (who again are in my experience worse than Hans and Sally. who claim "God called them to this work in the pre-existence around a big white table (as they have claimed many times publicly and privately, and who were into the TIT cult as deep as anyone there). They even vacationed with Hans and Sally out of state together. And the details they shared of those experiences were, according to those who heard them, as amoral as anything Larry Flint could imagine. But perhaps some of their closest friends were just making up crap about that. I found much of it hard to believe myself at the time. Sally as a porn addict, for example. But then I heard that same thing from more recent Impactites.) Nonetheless, your claim of payments by this "graduate owned" company since its inception is false. Its inception was the first training after Hans and Sally were locked out. When you still had all their grads for a couple of months before they got back into business again.
2) Are you certain you do not allow trainees to sell such CDs to "create" their payments for the their trainings there? I know you have in the recent past. Perhaps I should drop by a GP or ropes service again to see what's being sold there.
If that is happening, or has happened in the past, how come you are/have been okay with that?
Okay knowing that some of your trainees paid for their training by being thieves?
3) Have you looked at the CDs used by your trainers? JJ and others using ones burned as compilations sold by Impact. Were you really unaware of that?
While I respect your stated desire to try to run a clean version of the training, at least in its business practices, at least as compared to Impact's business practices, the fact is you are still doing what Impact did in the way of processes, many of which are perhaps public domain now, but others which you do not have clear rights to, some of which were "developed" by Sally Berger, or Hans, or Bruce Solomon (back in the day), or David Gilcrease, or John Webb, or Bob White and Randy Revellle -- and none of which are original to anyone working at GLF now.
For example, are you certain you have the rights to use "The Clear Plastic Bag" audio? And if not, why would you still use it? It's not BMI or ASCAP licensed audio. You got a CD from Hans for that, who copied it from somewhere else, and could care less, apparently, whether it is stolen material or not. Chances are you won't get caught. And that's the way business is run. Lots of companies do that.
It's just so out of whack with what you claim to train that its disgusting to those of us no longer caught up in supporting this crap blindly.
You, apparently, still believe some good comes from putting a "Daddy's mess up" nametag on a woman fathered by a man who had an affair 23 years ago, or "doormat" for a woman kicked to the floor by her husband last month, or "1-800-use-me" or whatever will send someone in your "training" to tears.
And then send them home.
Without any support other than their equally traumatized "buddy" to come back for more tomorrow.
You see that as an acceptable risk.
You're okay with some of them never coming back.
You, if I assume the best of you, must believe this somehow does more good than harm. That it is all a reasonable risk for you, and your trainees to take.
And you feel that way about every other process in your training, no matter how bizarre or physically dangerous -- from a trust fall in Quest to the Ropes course or firewalk (what's next, drinking poison or playing with poisonous snakes because the Bible tells you if you believe you can do that too?) or Feedback Arcs, or untrained training-junkies,and exTITers from Impact, trying to facilitate Gestalt, externalization, group therapy processes in total chaos in the training room!!!
And because you're still on the inside of this, you can't, apparently even see how insane that seems to the folks here. Nor do you really look at where all the people are who did all or part of your the Harmony/GLF training and are no longer around. You assume they are all powerfully living the tools they got from you. Your vision and focus is on those in your Founder's training and almost no one else.
Personally, I think you are here to help "Shut down Impact so everyone there will come to GLF." I imagine you long for and dream about that happening. I know the Jubacks do. Its (from your language/perspective) a lose-lose, weright/theywrong game.
Truth is you, and all other LGATS using these processes are wrong, sick, bad, hurtful, damaging, cultish, destructive, monetary-feel-good, rip offs at best.
Someday, I am confident, you will see that.
Till then truly I do wish you well,
=====ED